False accusations... suggestions!

Bigjohn said:
Did you rep them up ?
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Yes. Once they recieved the cues and I knew they were happy and the transaction felt completed I rep'd them with positive feedback and a nice snippit recommending them.

I'm not saying the system is flawed I would just like to see it being used rather than ignored.

The idea of making this a pay site doesn't really appeal to me but perhaps making the BST a pay section would be something to consider.
 
"smorgass Bored Ripped Me Off For $2,000!!!!!!"

WOW! Now I don't feel so bad. He only RIPPED ME OFF for $1,750! When will we ever learn.
Purdman
I ain't sory doug. :D
 
Bishop said:
Yes. Once they recieved the cues and I knew they were happy and the transaction felt completed I rep'd them with positive feedback and a nice snippit recommending them.

I'm not saying the system is flawed I would just like to see it being used rather than ignored.

The idea of making this a pay site doesn't really appeal to me but perhaps making the BST a pay section would be something to consider.
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Drop em a note and tell em you left em positive feedback for the transaction and ask em to do the same for you. Some don't know how to do it.
 
This is a FREE public forum. If you as a buyer or seller are not doing your research before you buy/sell it shouldn't be someone elses problem to fix it. If we half to get moderators involved this sight will become a pay sight like Ebay and everyone will have to pay a fee to become a member and sell items on this board. I believe there is enought things in place if you do your research to avoid bad dealings. This forum has good history of past transactions that can easily be found and the Itrader system IMO is working. Key thing to remember is this is a public forum and you half to make sure you know who you are dealing with. I have never been burned on this sight yet. I have been burned on craigslist and Ebay in the past.
 
Bishop said:
Like stated above people are ignoring the system for some reason. I guess laziness. I've had a few sells of mine go well and those guys never bothered to rep me up.
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Me too!!!!!!!

I have done at least 10 deals on here and not 1 mention. When i try to sell something or trade for something i am not even answered or i am flamed in pms or threadjacked
 
runscott said:
Agreed. You can tell a lot reading the itrader feedbacks - if I recognize a shady seller, I can look at this itrader feedback and it will always involve rep from other shady AZ sellers. You will also notice that the more trusted buyers/sellers are not showing up in the shady person's itrader feedback. The feedback numbers themselves don't mean jack, but the names in the feedback are important.

Regarding this dispute resolution idea for AZ, I personally would never buy/sell another item here if that were instituted. We are already 'resolving disputes' by putting peoples' reputations on the line when there is a questionable transaction, and airing it out among out peers. That to me is not only enough, but it is preferable to having some sort of 'dispute resolution board'. There are too many flakes on AZ - you are meeting them in these threads and I don't think you want them making decisions about your deals.

You have seen how quickly certain people will come out of the woodwork to support anyone who disagrees with one of their 'enemies', or to pile on one of their enemies if they perceive that others will support them. Heck, I had 2-3 such douchebags come out to pile on me on the Sugartree thread, and one of them was already supposedly banned from the board. Another is a 'fan favorite' here who could very well end up on such a 'dispute resolution' board - that would mean that I would automatically lose any dispute that ever came up, simply because of a personality difference. The last thing I would want is to have such a person making decisions about deals I'm making. Sorry. I think it should be kept simple - do what you can to avoid disagreement up front. As suggested earlier, that could be a form for filling out important info on a cue.
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As a free agent (Doner======>nobody's huckleberry:) ) I agree with what your saying with one exception:

When leaving feedback I evaluate buyers, sellers and trading partners based on my experience with them and not someone else's.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, Adam
 
Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think what we're doing with the buying and selling here is all that broken. As I buyer I've been able to buy cues and cases I wouldn't have access to otherwise and as a seller I've been able to get fair prices on stuff I may have had difficulty selling elsewhere. No system is perfect, but like anything in business get to know who you're dealing with, ask questions, get a phone number talk to the person etc. Don't go for the quick win, if something smells funny there's probably a reason for it and walk on by. I think it's mostly common sense, instinct and risk management/tolerance. Basically, the onus is on you whether buying or selling to protect your interests... it's not up to the system.
 
Nims said:
For a simple example. I could start a thread titled "SMORGASS BORED RIPPED ME OFF FOR $2,000 !!!!!!" And while this is an extreme case since Smorg is a well known poster, many people would remember that in the back of their head and it may well affect Doug's future transactions here. Even more so if the person does not yet have a reputation here.

Thoughts? Is anyone even reading this?
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Yes, I'm reading this. While my description may not have been 100 % accurate and the pictures were a little fuzzy and I neglected to mention the triple Shipping & Handling, I didn't realize at the time that you could buy a similar widget for $1 on e-bay with Free S & H.

I admit that I ripped you for your $2,000 and during the holiday season, too. I intend to re-pay you every cent.

Sadly, I spent $1,000 immediately on Hooter's 'Hot' wings and beer. Well, I actually only spent $150 on the wings & beer, but wings & beer make me horny and the only ho that would have anything to do with me, charged me $850. Three minutes later (when I was finished), I promptly went to the poker room and lost the other $1,000, when some Donkey called my pocket Aces with 4-6 offsuit and made a straight on the river.

I fully intend to refund your entire $2,000. I will be sending you $1 a week until you are paid in full, but I'm not sending anything until you return my widget FIRST. The ball is now in YOUR court.... imo
(if my widget comes back scratched or dented....... the deal is OFF)

happy holidays,
Doug
( I wish that you had PMed me. Now, I may have to come up with a new screen name )



*You have no idea how much bad Rep I received, due to your posting our dirty laundry instead of simply PM'ing me.
 
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i have done alot of business here this past year and relied on my instincts and everything has been perfect so far, i pick my spots carefully. Perhaps I was lucky, or got robbed and didnt know it, what ever the case anytime in commerce there is some risk for the buyer and/or the seller and there are awalys 2 sides to the story on every deal, the trick is to make sure that both partys are on the same sheet of music reguarding the deal before the $$$ changes hands, this will circumvent any disputes because when everyone is on the same sheet of music, whats to discuss? It is incumbent on both parties to be capable of doing sound business, this isnt McDonalds where you just place your order or a retail store front, business skills are necessary for all involved. now if I could just learn to spell, negoating a deal is the easy part. wanna buy a watch?
 
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Smorgass Bored said:
Yes, I'm reading this. While my description may not have been 100 % accurate and the pictures were a little fuzzy and I neglected to mention the triple Shipping & Handling, I didn't realize at the time that you could buy a similar widget for $1 on e-bay with Free S & H.

I admit that I ripped you for your $2,000 and during the holiday season, too. I intend to re-pay you every cent.

Sadly, I spent $1,000 immediately on Hooter's 'Hot' wings and beer. Well, I actually only spent $150 on the wings & beer, but wings & beer make me horny and the only ho that would have anything to do with me, charged me $850. Three minutes later (when I was finished), I promptly went to the poker room and lost the other $1,000, when some Donkey called my pocket Aces with 4-6 offsuit and made a straight on the river.

I fully intend to refund your entire $2,000. I will be sending you $1 a week until you are paid in full, but I'm not sending anything until you return my widget FIRST. The ball is now in YOUR court.... imo
(if my widget comes back scratched or dented....... the deal is OFF)

happy holidays,
Doug
( I wish that you had PMed me. Now, I may have to come up with a new screen name )



*You have no idea how much bad Rep I received, due to your posting our dirty laundry instead of simply PM'ing me.
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Doug,

I really need to rip you off for 2 dimes, I got the worst of it in some ring game comming up and need the loot, just go ahead and send in the check and i'll get back to you. ;)

happy holidays

fatboy
 
Nims said:
This board is hilarious. I guess let's just pretend I didn't start this thread.

FWIW, I've been using ebay, paypal, craigslist, forum classifieds, etc. for 5 years or so. I've easily bought or sold $20-$30k worth of goods and I have NEVER even once been burned. A small portion of this may be good fortune, but the vast majority is due to appropriate research and precautions.

This thread was intended to help those who don't seem to be having such good track records. I was trying to look out for other people here.

As you were!
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Do you walk around with a big S on your shirt? :D I see what you are saying and I even understand your point. However, the only way this would ever work is if the site Owner and His Moderators made it a rule for transactions on this site. Partner, that is never going to happen, this is the largest Pool / Billiards site on the INTERNET at this time. This would lead to more problems than solutions long term.

Like others have said, it is better to deal with the situation privately first, and then within a reasonable amount time, say a couple of weeks or more maybe, and then elevate it to the forum for resolution.

No system is fool proof, including eBay and Paypal, I have had disputes with both over the last six years that were never resolved to my satisfaction. In fact I have lost money, due to Paypals policies, but, that is another story, I do not want to contaminate your thread.

If you think you can help, I think this is wrong place to present this in the first place, you need to contact the AZ House Pro, who is also the site owner.

Good Luck and Merry Christmas
 
Fatboy said:
i have done alot of business here this past year and relied on my instincts and everything has been perfect so far, i pick my spots carefully. Perhaps I was lucky, or got robbed and didnt know it, what ever the case anytime in commerce there is some risk for the buyer and/or the seller and there are awalys 2 sides to the story on every deal, the trick is to make sure that both partys are on the same sheet of music reguarding the deal before the $$$ changes hands, this will circumvent any disputes because when everyone is on the same sheet of music, whats to discuss? It is incumbent on both parties to be capable of doing sound business, this isnt McDonalds where you just place your order or a retail store front, business skills are necessary for all involved. now if I could just learn to spell, negoating a deal is the easy part. wanna buy a watch?
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I have a Big Mac for sale.. Any interest...
Best,
Ken
Highendcues
 
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