fargo and the ghost

I still don’t understand the concept of this ghost thing. Might take a few minutes to look again now. Give it another chance. It’s the ball in hand that gets me confused. And if I remember correctly no safes. That’s like 2/3 of the game gone. If all I needed to be a 710 is to run 10 balls 7 of 13 times with ball in hand. I would have been on the pro tour back when I played more.
If you think breaking 10 balls, taking ball in hand and running them in rotation 7 out of 13 times is easy, I think you are a pro.
 
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You can play the ghost in anything. And you can play the pro ghost which means you don’t take BIH after the break.

The best I ever did was lose a hill/hill match with the pro 9b ghost to 7. Usually I’d lose that game 7-1/2/3 Sometimes 7-0 lol. Occasionally I’d get closer but only occasionally. And my numbers with BIH are only a little better.

I think the 7 ball ghost is where I start getting 50/iffy. I’ve got the 6 balls f’n number. Or I did on my own table anyway 🤣

I want to see where I’m at now after a almost 2 year layoff. It really sucks not having your own table, now I feel the pain of a majority of pool players lol.
 
I still don’t understand the concept of this ghost thing. Might take a few minutes to look again now. Give it another chance. It’s the ball in hand that gets me confused. And if I remember correctly no safes. That’s like 2/3 of the game gone. If all I needed to be a 710 is to run 10 balls 7 of 13 times with ball in hand. I would have been on the pro tour back when I played more.
If I had a nickel for every player with bad fundamentals that I can smoke like a hookah who "used to be good back when" I would have a lot of nickles. Time heals all wounds even the ones caused from sucking at pool it seems.
 
If I had a nickel for every player with bad fundamentals that I can smoke like a hookah who "used to be good back when" I would have a lot of nickles. Time heals all wounds even the ones caused from sucking at pool it seems.
Yeah - I think a lot of people are full of shit with their claims of success against the ghost.

I've never beat the 9 ball ghost. I've gotten to 7 (I always thought it was to 9). Any made balls would stay down, and BIH after the break. Yet I hear guys (guys I beat quite easily) claiming to regularly beat the 9 ball ghost. Absolutely it's easy for any decent player to get a few racks, but to do 7 of 13, or even worse 9 of 17? That's not beginner stuff.
 
If I had a nickel for every player with bad fundamentals that I can smoke like a hookah who "used to be good back when" I would have a lot of nickles. Time heals all wounds even the ones caused from sucking at pool it seems.
Love it. Honestly though. Ive known guys that the run out is almost all they practice. They’d be a 650 in the ghost match. Once you get them in a real match against a 650 they are done for. I asked about 8 ball because even now I can run 4/7 on average without ball in hand if I don’t have to make one on the break. I don’t care what people say. I used to keep up with a 725+ without much defensive play if any. so there’s the proof. I usually wouldn’t win. He’d win like 7-5. 8 ball we were even without me playing safe. When you run out 3-4 in a row….
 
Love it. Honestly though. Ive known guys that the run out is almost all they practice. They’d be a 650 in the ghost match. Once you get them in a real match against a 650 they are done for. I asked about 8 ball because even now I can run 4/7 on average without ball in hand if I don’t have to make one on the break. I don’t care what people say. I used to keep up with a 725+ without much defensive play if any. so there’s the proof. I usually wouldn’t win. He’d win like 7-5. 8 ball we were even without me playing safe. When you run out 3-4 in a row….
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When he was still coming into his own as a pro,I asked Justin Bergman about this and he said he beat the 9 ball ghost pretty regularly,but that the 10 ball ghost on a 9 ft Diamond was "still gambling" for him. This was 2002-3.

I've won races against the 10 ball,but haven't beat it an 8 or 10 ahead set yet. Tommy D.
 
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Ill give you privvy to it when you put some cash up. 8 ball run outs are way easier than 9 ball runs. Totally different games. I don’t usually go for the run cause that’s not my practice routine. I see the run. If it’s harder I might go for it. Usually though, I’ll turn the 8ball game into banks or whatever I want to practice after about 3-4 made shots. Or I’ll intentionally set up banks instead of hitting the ball straight in. I also have ADHD. Probably why I get bored easy. Can’t concentrate without money out there. On the racks I don’t screw around on avg is right around 4/7.
 
Ill give you privvy to it when you put some cash up. 8 ball run outs are way easier than 9 ball runs. Totally different games. I don’t usually go for the run cause that’s not my practice routine. I see the run. If it’s harder I might go for it. Usually though, I’ll turn the 8ball game into banks or whatever I want to practice after about 3-4 made shots. Or I’ll intentionally set up banks instead of hitting the ball straight in. I also have ADHD. Probably why I get bored easy. Can’t concentrate without money out there. On the racks I don’t screw around on avg is right around 4/7.
Why do you need financial incentive? Just log on and record your practice races against the ghost.
 
When he was still coming into his own as a pro,I asked Justin Bergman about this and he said he beat the 9 ball ghost pretty regularly,but that the 10 ball ghost on a 9 ft Diamond was "still gambling" for him. This was 2002-3.

I've won races against the 10 ball,but haven't beat it an 8 or 10 ahead set yet. Tommy D.
I always was practicing on a gold crown with standard pockets. Not a Diamond with 4.5” pockets. So maybe that would make more sense to you guys
 
Why do you need financial incentive? Just log on and record your practice races against the ghost.
Why so that I can show everybody how to play eight ball? Almost nobody plays 8 ball like I play that’s why I win. Most people play eight ball like they play nine ball. That’s not the correct way to play. At least I don’t see it that way. I’m talking about the better players here. You could learn a lot watching people that aren’t as good play.

*edit add* 8 ball is a shot makers game 9 ball is about position.
Sorry as I read through it’s not a video uplink. Just stats. I’m going to get my gf to start playing league soon. She’s still a 3 and just about up to a 4. And then the numbers will be posted for you. On a 7 footer though 5/7.
 
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So according to Dr Dave's web site, a player with a fargo rating between 450 and 500 is a c+ rating in an ABCD rating system.

I'm curious if anyone has any input on what ghost that player of that rating should be able to beat the majority of the time.

By ghost I mean, rack up some number of balls, break them, spot any balls made and take ball in hand and try to run out, raise to seven.
Spotting any balls made would make beating the 9 ball ghost extremely difficult as multiple balls are made regularly and they would be tied up on the spot. I don't think this is the usual way to play the ghost but I could be wrong.
 
Spotting any balls made would make beating the 9 ball ghost extremely difficult as multiple balls are made regularly and they would be tied up on the spot. I don't think this is the usual way to play the ghost but I could be wrong.
the way we do it is balls made on the snap stay down IF you don't scratch. if you scratch, all balls made on break spot.
 
Spotting any balls made would make beating the 9 ball ghost extremely difficult as multiple balls are made regularly and they would be tied up on the spot. I don't think this is the usual way to play the ghost but I could be wrong.
I customize a bit, first one in on the spot, second head spot. And to be honest, I don't play the nine ball ghost, I do something a little toward my speed. I do gamble. I play races with a charity, that makes it a little more real, a little less like just banging them around. The charity trusts me to pay weekly.
 
I always was practicing on a gold crown with standard pockets. Not a Diamond with 4.5” pockets. So maybe that would make more sense to you guys

Standard GC's are a joke. You dont need to get proper angles at all you can cheat everything. Banking is also a joke too because the pockets are so big, especally into the side pockets which are so easy its like shooting fish in a barrel.
 
AZB has its own ghost challenge for those that don't want to post videos to facebook:

 
So according to Dr Dave's web site, a player with a fargo rating between 450 and 500 is a c+ rating in an ABCD rating system.

I'm curious if anyone has any input on what ghost that player of that rating should be able to beat the majority of the time.

By ghost I mean, rack up some number of balls, break them, spot any balls made and take ball in hand and try to run out, raise to seven.
Ok I’ll get serious. I think a 450-500 will typically make 4-5 balls on avg. if you are only playing with 4-5 balls you could spot any that fall on break because they shouldnt be in the way. Then again how do you rack less than 9? That’s a bit confusing in itself. Seriously. Why isn’t it rack all 9? Break. And if you are racing the 5 ghost try to get all 9. As long as you make 5 you win that game?
 
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Ok I’ll get serious. I think a 450-500 will typically make 4-5 balls on avg. if you are only playing with 4-5 balls you could spot any that fall on break because they shouldnt be in the way. Then again how do you rack less than 9? That’s a bit confusing in itself. Seriously though. Why isn’t it rack all 9? Break. And if you are racing the 5 ghost try to get all 9. As long as you make up to 5 you win that game.
What I like to do is rack 9 every time. That way I get practice breaking a 9 ball rack. Then pull the highest number balls to get down to the number of balls I'm running to on that attempt.
 
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