Fargo Caps = The dumbing down of pool

the wsop had over 10,000, yes ten thousand entries, into a poker tournament with a ten thousand dollar buy in.
yes 10,000 dollars for one tournament.

a hundred million dollar total prize pool.

know why because it is set up to make every single one think or believe they have a real chance of winning or at least collecting a big prize by making the money list.

of course poker is bigger than pool now but not in the far past.

that is why poker has big entries for big money and pool cant even get full fields for peanuts. the lesser players are just donating and only donators put up with the situation..
Right, exactly. Poker is so big because every square thinks they have a chance. There is a place for Open pool events, and also a place for handicapped pool events. The handicapped event should be roughly even proposition for all its participants. Capped event are not even close to this.
 
We will disagree 😁 all is good though.
Fair. But besides the nature/nurture part, the thing that jumped at me, is there are tons of 500-600-700 level players that play for hours each day. So if time spent is the argument why a top player should get the money in a big event, well then that same argument can be used to say the 550 that practices 8 hrs a day (and still stinks) should get the money instead.
 
Right, exactly. Poker is so big because every square thinks they have a chance. There is a place for Open pool events, and also a place for handicapped pool events. The handicapped event should be roughly even proposition for all its participants. Capped event are not even close to this.
True
 
Pool and poker are 180° from eachother, there is no comparison and trying is just silly.
they are both entry fee skill based tournaments. one has been growing exponentially and the other is struggling.
some thing to consider.
one has to be doing something less right than the other.
 
Fair. But besides the nature/nurture part, the thing that jumped at me, is there are tons of 500-600-700 level players that play for hours each day. So if time spent is the argument why a top player should get the money in a big event, well then that same argument can be used to say the 550 that practices 8 hrs a day (and still stinks) should get the money instead.
Wasn't what I meant, some people just suck and no amount of practice will fix that - they just can't "see" the shots. That's ok though, they love the game and 550(in this example) isn't completely helpless - they play better than most in a weekend bar setting.

Some people just like playing for fun and don't want to put in the concentration to move to the 700 range but can still play over 600
 
they are both entry fee skill based tournaments. one has been growing exponentially and the other is struggling.
some thing to consider.
one has to be doing something less right than the other.
I can learn that a flush beats a straight, sit down in a tournament and beat the current WSOP main event champ in some hands and possibly knock them out of the event.

The only way a new pool player can beat a champ is for it to be a race to 1 8 ball and the champ scratches on the 8 ball.

Not even remotely close to the same.

In a race to 100 a 750 doesn't stand a chance - literally ZERO
 
yes even 95% of the pros have little chance it an open with longer races. make it so they do have a chance.
that is what ive been alluding to.
 
right, so if you know you have no chance why even enter.

unless as i said you know you are throwing money away for pleasure. that means the fields wont grow.
 
right, so if you know you have no chance why even enter.

unless as i said you know you are throwing money away for pleasure. that means the fields wont grow.
I agree.

I also think it fair that the better players win in open events. Not all pros put in the same amount of time practicing.

Remember before they changed all the break rules to screw Shane, he would literally practice just the break for hours per day, nobody else was doing that. Fedor practices jump shots constantly, that's why he's the best at that. Those guys deserve their wins because they put in the time to be champions
 
Fair? What about all the time the top guys put into their game? You play 2 hours a week and they play 50 hrs a week for years or decades.

Hell, 95% of the pros have no chance of winning.

Both handicap and open events have their place, up to the individual to decide what is the right option
Well, my time is money. The top guy's time isn't my money. It's not my problem they misspent their youth. ;)

If an open is too top heavy it's not worth entering unless it's for funsies aka recreation. At least in capped the "top guy" can only beat me 2:1 on fargo predictions and I might catch them on a bad day. I'd be more willing to put up a larger stake when I wasn't favored to lose 10:1 or something. That's what an open is for most players, a losing proposition, aka donation.

I'm not scared to play better players. I like it. Which is a reason to still play in open tournaments, but I'm not pony-ing up large sums to play in an open.

Fargo capped are basically for people who want to play people around their level, where they have a chance. Most are willing to pay a larger entry fee for this reason. It's actually within the realm of possibility to win.
 
Well, my time is money. The top guy's time isn't my money. It's not my problem they misspent their youth. ;)

If an open is too top heavy it's not worth entering unless it's for funsies aka recreation. At least in capped the "top guy" can only beat me 2:1 on fargo predictions and I might catch them on a bad day. I'd be more willing to put up a larger stake when I wasn't favored to lose 10:1 or something. That's what an open is for most players, a losing proposition, aka donation.

I'm not scared to play better players. I like it. Which is a reason to still play in open tournaments, but I'm not pony-ing up large sums to play in an open.

Fargo capped are basically for people who want to play people around their level, where they have a chance. Most are willing to pay a larger entry fee for this reason. It's actually within the realm of possibility to win.
I agree.

There's arguments for both sides, if you don't like the action over here, play over there, that's why it's good to have options 👍
 
yes and most will agree that pros who put in the work deserve to win tournaments. but they are not entitled to win them.
Nobody said entitled. Either get better or find another job.

Who's 100% not entitled are the people who didn't put in the work. Everybody doesn't get a trophy

Maybe we should use the betting lines for all other pro sports, wouldn't that make it fair?
 
entitled like meaning setting up the races so they are overwhelming favorites.
 
I'm in that weird area above 600. I can walk in a dominate, but I don't stand a chance in a pro tournament.
 
Nobody said entitled. Either get better or find another job.

Who's 100% not entitled are the people who didn't put in the work. Everybody doesn't get a trophy

Maybe we should use the betting lines for all other pro sports, wouldn't that make it fair?
You really are dim if you don't see fit to draw any distinctions between professional sports and tournaments designed to attract 525-rated pool players for amusement and casual competition.
 
All sounds so idyllic. Go run an event or two and get back with us. I'm really hoping you're just joking and not really so melodramatic. A LOT of tournament goer's are recreational players that don't want to go and just be dead-meat cannon fodder. There are more people playing pool tournaments now than in maybe 30+ yrs and FR is why. don't like the system don't play.
For me this is exactly right. I work graveyard and only have 1-2 nights a week to play and not interested in donating to the 650-700s in the weekly tourney. On the other hand, we had a 525 u nearby and i snapped it off. lot more fun but too small a field.
 
And yet you're not on the good action list. At least I gamble
Aww. Big man gambles! 😱
WTF is the good action list?
(Just checked) Oh. That stupid sh*t.

Im not on the bad action list either. Doesn’t mean I don’t gamble. It just means I don’t gamble with people that are on this forum.
You’re still a nit if you are gonna b*tch about better players than you in a tournament. 😂
 
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