Fargo Rate Manipulation Pro Tips
- Thread starter Coos Cues
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I started in Fargo in 2019 I think, sometime around 2022/2023 I was at 630+ with just over 200 games in the system and I stopped playing. Since then I have played 4 or 5 small tournaments and did well (couple of 2nd and 3rd place finishes). My current FR is 617. It fluctuated quite a bit for the first 1.5/2 years but it's been stuck at 617 for at least the last year or so.
ratings are really for leagues and small honest tournaments. when the money starts to get interesting then expect for people to game the system.
only if the t.d. would ban those he feels are not honest about their rating, can it work for bigger money.
if you are lower rated in your class then expect to have no chance.
welcome to the real world.
only if the t.d. would ban those he feels are not honest about their rating, can it work for bigger money.
if you are lower rated in your class then expect to have no chance.
welcome to the real world.
The big money tournaments of this kind require the players to make their Fargo games “public”, so the TD (and anyone else) can look at all of their games to look for evidence or of dumping. They also require a pretty high level of robustness (which makes the rating less sensitive to a few dumping attempts).
So if a player is close to the handicap limit and has a bunch of suspect losses to lower players, the TD can just deny entry.
It’s not perfect but it is something.
How is that not dumping?
There’s big money at the Iron City events. An honest person with an honest handicap has very little chance from what I’ve heard.Simple,
I have a regular game with a guy who is to my estimate, a 725-750 rated player surmised by comparing his game to other players I have games with, that have a legit rating. His on the book rating is 596. He plays in a league 1 night a week and dumps, plays in cheap entry local tournaments and dumps, all to keep that rating below 600.
He travels regularly out of town to play in capped tournaments all over, Vegas, Alabama, just got back from Canada yesterday, played me today, and is flying out tomorrow to Indiana. There’s a whole group of people that do it, constantly staring at each other at the same capped tournaments all over. He told me today it’s gotten to where they play each other in action in off hours at the events. It’s the new hustle, he does quite well.
Im a prime example of this. I beat a 760 once and lost to a 503 once. Short races are a real crap shoot.
However the system is designed, there are players that are professional fixers. I remember back in the day when I joined APA I was a 7 and had to play a 5. The 5 gave me the 8 ball gambling and I had no chance to beat him in the pool room.
I've heard one of those capped, high-stakes events do not report results to FargoRate. I was told that the TD and his friends thought that would be counterproductive.
Seems to me that it's best to steer clear of tournaments that don't report. Unless, of course, you somehow find yourself 100 points underrated, somehow.
Around here there was (and maybe still is) a handicapped nine ball league. Years ago in the room where I played, there was a pair of players who played every week, religiously, you might say, as if on a mission. Every week, they both lost two matches and went home.
At the big, quarterly handicapped money-added event, the TD/LO told them the equivalent of: "550, eh? You guys can play at 700 if you want to enter." They lost their religion at that point.
I've heard one of those capped, high-stakes events do not report results to FargoRate. I was told that the TD and his friends thought that would be counterproductive.
Could be. The ones I have seen do report to Fargo but perhaps there is one or more that don’t.
If the tournament is on digital pool, you can actually see if they did select the report option. See example below.
IMO no tournament should use Fargo as an entry cap or to determine handicapping should not report to Fargo.
dumping is losing the match on purpose, so as to dump your backers money or the side action money.
not playing your true speed is called stalling, or playing on the lemon or lemoning.
since fargo tracks all your racks and not just win loss then a good player can still keep his rating lower by winning. but only by a game or two against weak players.
not playing your true speed is called stalling, or playing on the lemon or lemoning.
since fargo tracks all your racks and not just win loss then a good player can still keep his rating lower by winning. but only by a game or two against weak players.
This is true and a bit harder to catch. But if a 600 player is consistently beating 400s by like 9-7, an astute TD will notice something is wrong. The occasional result like that can happen, but you’d expect a lot of 9-2 type scores with that skill gap.
Coos Cues
Coos Cues
It's called being interested or being in the mood to beat balls around like a chimpanzee. At this point in my life I could care less whether I win or lose a rack of pool being played for "fun". Once you accept that you are never going to improve your game to the next level your priorities change. No pride? Call it whatever but losing a game of pool has zero effect on me. Particularly to people who wouldn't gamble with you in a million years.
Coos Cues
Coos Cues
Unless you have played the game for so long that you just don't care unless something that matters is on the line. League play doesn't matter one bit.
no but say a 700 player with a 600 rating can keep a 600 rating by winning much closer to others and have his 600 rating forever.
plus in tiny or league play where no money is really involved he can even have losers.
its still cheating the system and wrong of course. it can be done and is being done. that is why few true rated players take down the big money ones.
plus in tiny or league play where no money is really involved he can even have losers.
its still cheating the system and wrong of course. it can be done and is being done. that is why few true rated players take down the big money ones.
So why do you play league?
Just curious, there are those who claim that they won't play unless there is money on the game or that winning or losing doesn't matter if it is for free, is that a description of a degenerate gambler??
No
When your playing a guy and his wife comes in..baby in her arms and she cusses YOU out for him losing the rent money... you've found the degenerate gambler.
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