Fast Eddie Felson ... A Man and a Legend!!! and a Hustler ?

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Tonight as I was setting at a friends house waiting on the rest of our group to show up so we could head out of town to play a tourny .... I spotted a autographed photo of an American Pool Legend... His name is Eddie Felson aka Fast Eddie ... The real Eddie Felson, when most people think of Eddie Felson they vision the character in the movie "The Hustler ". Well the movie "The Hustler" was made about Eddie Felson... I asked my friend Danny how he got the picture and how Fast Eddie had come to autogragh it , In the picture he was a older gray haired man... He told me that before Eddie died ( 2/2/2001) he use to pass through our town often stopping at our local pool hall... Danny was lucky enough to get the picture of this legend and have him sign it ... It is hanging in his living room and he is very proud of it ... I myself got to wondering about Fast Eddie and how well the events in the movie portrayed Eddie Felson I did a search and came up with this on Eddie Felson an American Legend ... Thought I would share with all my fellow AZ'ers ... Also if any of you have copies of "The Hustler" and "The Color of Money" I would be interested in buying them from you please P.M me if you would part with them... If anyone has stories about Fast Eddie please post them I'm interested in finding out all I can about this legend... Thank you ...

Fast Eddie Felson -

Fast Eddie was born in Springfield, Missouri in 1931. He began playing pool at age nine. He attended school at Ava, Missouri, and he was graduated from high school in 1949. While he was still a teenager, he moved to Kansas City, Missouri, where he was tutored by the late, great Benny Allan, a six-time World Champion; and it was during that time that Fast Eddie became a money player.

In 1952 Fast Eddie joined the Navy and moved to California. After a tour of duty in the Navy, he continued playing pool throughout the country in the 1950's and 1960's. He has taught pocket billiards to hundreds of students, and although Fast Eddie was a money player, he won a number of tournaments, including the California 14.1 straight pool tournament in the 1950's.

It was when Fast Eddie was playing pool down South, in Kentucky, in the early 1950's that he became acquainted with a young man who had helped pay his way through college by working in a pool hall. That young man, Walter Tevis, wrote a book in 1959 entitled "The Hustler", of which a motion picture was made in 1961, starring Paul Newman, Jackie Gleason, Piper Laurie, and George C. Scott.

Being a money player, Fast Eddie would sometimes use assumed names. As well as Eddie Ezzell, Eddie Santee, Terry McKee, he used the name Eddie Felsen, and it was the later that the author changed the spelling to Felson and used in his novel. Fast Eddie's real name is Eddie Parker. According to Fast Eddie, only about thirty percent of the novel is based on fact. The remainder is fiction. For example, Fast Eddie had told Tevis about Rudolph Wanderone, also known as "New York Fats". Tevis changed the name to "Minnesota Fats" in his novel. Fast Eddie also related a few of his own experiences while on the road, such as the finger breaking incident and the big money match with the wealthy Kentuckian, which was played in the Kentuckian's home. Tevis changed the events slightly. Instead of Fast Eddie getting his two thumbs broken, as depicted in the movie, in reality his right forefinger was broken during the incident. The big money match with the wealthy Kentuckian was described accurately, except the match was played close to Lexington, Kentucky, instead of in Louisville, Kentucky as suggested in the movie. And Fast Eddie and his stakehorse (financial backer) won $30,000, instead of $12,000 as depicted in the novel and in the movie. The error was that Fast Eddie's percentage of the $30,000 was $12,000, his stakehorse received the remaining $18,000. The famous pool hall "Bensinger's" was changed to "Bennington's" in the novel and to "Ames" in the motion picture.

Fast Eddie attended Missouri University and the University of Tennessee for one year each. He has had many newspaper and magazine articles written about him; he has made television commercials; he has been on television talk shows; and he had his own television shows, "Shooting Stars with Fast Eddie" and "The Fast Eddie Show".

In 1980, he set a yet unbroken record by pocketing twenty-two balls in one legal stroke (the old record of twenty-one balls was, reportedly, set by Paul Gerni). In 1982, Fast Eddie toured Europe for the Department of Defense. During that tour, he performed in West Germany, Greece, Italy, and Spain. In 1987, he formed a partnership with a large Japanese company for the purpose of creating an instructional video tape; he spent nine days in Japan performing exhibitions and creating the video tape. He is the author of a pocket billiards workbook entitled, "What You've Always Wanted To Know About Pocket Billiards, But Were Afraid To Ask".

The workbook has been used by colleges and universities as an instructional tool. The workbook and an earlier video tape by him was in the possession of actor, Paul Newman, before filming "The Color of Money". Fast Eddie received a letter of thanks from the actor and from the casting director, Gretchen Rennels, before filming began.

Because his real identity was kept secret by himself and by the author, Walter Tevis, in 1987, a newspaper reporter asked Fast Eddie if he would consent to take a polygraph test to prove or to disprove his claim to have inspired Walter Tevis to write "The Hustler". In September of that year, a lie detector test was administered to Fast Eddie. The results proved that, indeed, Fast Eddie had told the truth and that his claims are accurate and truthful.

Since coming out of retirement in 1980, Fast Eddie performs more than two-hundred shows per year, and he has recently completed a novel himself, which is scheduled for publication soon.

As reported by a newspaper reporter, Fast Eddie is, indeed, "One of the last of a vanishing breed".
 
Fast Eddie pic

I would like to compare pictures. We had a guy come to our town in the late 80's soon after I really got into pool claiming to be Fast Eddie and he did a exhibition show I have his signed picture still.
 
I know that there was a guy, Eddie Parker, who claimed to be the real "Fast Eddie". Woops! Just reread the original post and noticed that this is the same guy.
 
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I can't say that I was friends with Fast Eddie but we knew each other. Nice guy.

I ran pool rooms in San Antonio for many years. Fast Eddie lived in a satellite community of SA called Universal City. We would have him in about once a year to do exhibitions. He would do a lot of standard trick shots but most of his show was instructional featuring discussions about throw, deflection, english, etc.

Eddie had some rough luck later in his life as he and his lovely wife bought a bar close to home as he had grown tired of travelling on the road. Right after he bought the bar, we had what was later called the 500 year flood and the bar had 4 feet on standing water in it for a few days. From what I understand, they never reopened.

Eddie passed away from a heart attack while attending a pool tournament in South Padre Island at the bottom tip of Texas.

Never saw him without a suit and tie. He always carried himself as a gentleman.

Stones
 
Stones said:
I can't say that I was friends with Fast Eddie but we knew each other. Nice guy.

I ran pool rooms in San Antonio for many years. Fast Eddie lived in a satellite community of SA called Universal City. We would have him in about once a year to do exhibitions. He would do a lot of standard trick shots but most of his show was instructional featuring discussions about throw, deflection, english, etc.

Eddie had some rough luck later in his life as he and his lovely wife bought a bar close to home as he had grown tired of travelling on the road. Right after he bought the bar, we had what was later called the 500 year flood and the bar had 4 feet on standing water in it for a few days. From what I understand, they never reopened.

Eddie passed away from a heart attack while attending a pool tournament in South Padre Island at the bottom tip of Texas.

Never saw him without a suit and tie. He always carried himself as a gentleman.

Stones

I have his obituary. I remember when it happened, I was working downtown on the Hill, and I read it on my lunch hour in The Washington Post, I think it was. I cut out the ob-it article with his picture, and I have it somewhere saved. If I find it, I will post it up. I remember he was living in Texas.

JAM
 
rossaroni said:
I know that there was a guy, Eddie Parker, who claimed to be the real "Fast Eddie". Woops! Just reread the original post and noticed that this is the same guy.

I saw an exhibition by 'Fast' Eddie Parker too. I think it was the early 90's and he was living in Corpus Christi, Texas, at the time. He put on a good show. I don't think his contention that he is the real Eddie Felson is too different from Rudolph Wanderone Jr. saying he was Minnesota Fats. As far as I know Tevis said both characters were fictional. Based on a compilation of several different players.
 
I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but Eddie Parker was NOT the Fast Eddie that Walter Tevis based his character on. In truth there was NO real life Fast Eddie. He was a fictional character created by Tevis.

I know that Eddie Parker claimed he was the real deal, but it was just that, a claim to fame. It's doubtful Tevis ever met or knew anything about Eddie Parker. He made it abundantly clear that both Minnesota Fats and Fast Eddie were characters he made up for purposes of his book. Parker attempted to capitalize on the success of the film just as New York Fats had done. He was far less successful than the Fatman.

I knew Walter quite well, and he often spoke with candor and humor about the pretenders to these names he created. He thought that every fat pool player wanted to be "Minnesota Fats", and every pool player named Eddie immediately became "Fast Eddie". And that is the truth!
 
punter said:
I saw an exhibition by 'Fast' Eddie Parker too. I think it was the early 90's and he was living in Corpus Christi, Texas, at the time. He put on a good show. I don't think his contention that he is the real Eddie Felson is too different from Rudolph Wanderone Jr. saying he was Minnesota Fats. As far as I know Tevis said both characters were fictional. Based on a compilation of several different players.


The main difference was that Fats seized the opportunity right away, making his claims while the movie was still in theaters. He even went so far as to sue Tevis and 20th Century Fox. Parker meanwhile didn't say boo for nearly 20 years and finally in the early 1980's began to stake his claim to being the real "Fast Eddie". I think he felt it would help him book exhibitions, and it did. I saw him play. He was a nice man who dressed well and played so so. No champion by any means.
 
jay helfert said:
The main difference was that Fats seized the opportunity right away, making his claims while the movie was still in theaters. He even went so far as to sue Tevis and 20th Century Fox. Parker meanwhile didn't say boo for nearly 20 years and finally in the early 1980's began to stake his claim to being the real "Fast Eddie". I think he felt it would help him book exhibitions, and it did. I saw him play. He was a nice man who dressed well and played so so. No champion by any means.

I heard the same thing, although not directly from Tevis. Here is a related link that says much the same.


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20010416/ai_n14382154
 
The REAL Fast Eddie

Quote Jimmy Reid:

Ronnie (Fast Eddie) Allen:
1977, Joe Burns was holding his annual tournament in Dayton (Forest Park), Ohio.

Walter Tevis; author of "The Hustler" and later, "The Color of Money" was in attendance, and being a writer fascinated with the gambling aspect of pool, seemingly had asked all of my peers who the best money player was and they referred him to me.

I agreed to do a tape recorded interview with Mr. Tevis while playing chess in his suite at the Holiday Inn in Dayton, Ohio.

Subsequently, Nov.77 Sports Illustrated published a 3 page article about me, which began as me being the best money player in the world, and ended with me being some kind of womanizer...Go figure.

At one point during this interview, I became the interviewer instead of interviewee, I flat out asked Mr. Tevis who he based Fast Eddie Felson on?

His reply went something like this; I went to Corcoran's Pool Roon in Frisco and saw a young, brash player by the name of Ronnie Allen who was a worldbeater, got the idea for the book and the rest is fiction and history.

Rudolph Wanderone "Minnesota Fats" was "New York Fats" before The Hustler came out. He sued the movie studio and won $25,000 and the rights to the name Minnesota Fats, the similarities were undeniable on who Walter Tevis had based Jackie Gleason's character on.

I know who the real Fast Eddie Felson was based on in Walter Tevis's mind - - Ronnie Allen!

Ronnie was faster than a speeding bullet, able to lift spectators out of their chair, and who, disguised as a mild mannered poolplayer could talk the Pope into staking him, after all it wasn't gambling because Ronnie always had the nuts (pool slang meaning he couldn't lose), if you don't believe me, just ask Ronnie.

1967, Norwalk, CA.. The first time I saw Fast hit a ball, he was giving Dado (the phillipino) who was a pretty good player, a handicap. From afar I saw the crowd interest in the game and asked a sweater (professional watcher), how they were playing...
$300 one pocket, Ronnie's playing him - his 1 hand to Dado's 2, and giving him 8 to 5 and the break. Tough game huh?

I walked in close for a better view (so help me this is true), Ronnie was almost frozen on the end rail, there were four balls that had been broken out of the stack and they were surrounding Dado's pocket.

Ronnie started grinning, talking to the crowd in general and Dado in particular, said something to this effect; I don't understand it Dado, don't you ever make a mistake, man you move as good as I do.

Look at the trap I'm in here.

Ronnie looking hard at the shot, still talking, smiling and chuckling about what a bad game this is, Then he seemed to see something(a way out) nobody else could see...

Ronnie jacked up (w/1 hand) & fired into the highest ball above Dado's pocket...
When the smoke cleared - all 4 balls were spinning toward and transplanted in front of Ronnie's pocket, and low and behold - the cueball was frozen against the stack!!!

Dado looked like he just got sentenced to the electric chair!!!

To this day it is right up there with the best one pocket shots of all time. Fast Eddie beat him flat after that, Dado never won a game...

In 1966 - Ronnie won the Straight Pool, Nine Ball, and One Pocket All-Around Championship, held at the Stardust Hotel in Las Vegas.

For over 20 years, nobody would play him even-up one pocket. Facts speak for themselves, in 1971 Ronnie grabbed the microphone at the beginning of the Hustlers Tournament in Johnston City Illinois, offered everybody there 10 to 8 in one pocket --no takers.

Ronnie will go down in my mind as having the highest gear I've ever seen in one pocket, and you know I've seen them all.

Ronnie will go down in my mind as being one of the most entertaining players to watch.

Ronnie will go down in my mind as someone who always looked for and created action.

Jack (Jersey Red) Breit told it like it is (or was), he said; " With plastic balls, Ronnie Allen is the greatest one pocket player of all time."

Ronnie ( Fast Eddie Allen ) deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

He deserves it, justice demands it... Jimmy Reid


Again, Happy 70th Birthday, Ronnie,,,,,,,,,,,,,$Bill
 

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Dang ... Most of the world thinks Eddie Parker was Fast Eddie guess that goes to show that lie detector tests are not very acurate ... Well off to work with chwck back in later ...
 
jay helfert said:
I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but Eddie Parker was NOT the Fast Eddie that Walter Tevis based his character on. In truth there was NO real life Fast Eddie. He was a fictional character created by Tevis.

I know that Eddie Parker claimed he was the real deal, but it was just that, a claim to fame. It's doubtful Tevis ever met or knew anything about Eddie Parker. He made it abundantly clear that both Minnesota Fats and Fast Eddie were characters he made up for purposes of his book. Parker attempted to capitalize on the success of the film just as New York Fats had done. He was far less successful than the Fatman.

I knew Walter quite well, and he often spoke with candor and humor about the pretenders to these names he created. He thought that every fat pool player wanted to be "Minnesota Fats", and every pool player named Eddie immediately became "Fast Eddie". And that is the truth!

Ya beat me to it, Jay! Parker sent me emails about how he was the "real Fast Eddie" when I challenged him about it on rsb. He called Water Tevis "a drunk writer" who didn't know what he was talking about. He was a pretender, just like Fats, in that respect.
 
Picture

I have a autographed Picture of the "Fast Eddie", that I think you guys are talking about....I will upload it later tonight....this guy came through a city I was in one night.

...Just saw a Pic of Eddie Parker on the Net....and yep....that the same guy that I met...no need to upload my pic now..

I'm with Hemicuda on this....that seems to be the correct story behind the "Fast Eddie" character.
 
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With all due respect to Jimmy...there is no evidence of any kind that such a conversation took place between Jimmy and Tevis. If Tevis told Jimmy that he based Fast Eddie on Ronny Allen, Jimmy is the only person in the world who he made such a remark to.

As Jay pointed out, Tevis aggressively denied basing either Fats or Eddie on ANY particular real life character. Rather, they were COMPOSITES of MANY real players.

Tevis wife has siad many times that he continued to deny the pretenders until his dying day.

But if the truth were told...Smorg is actually Fast Eddie.

(-:

hemicudas said:
Quote Jimmy Reid:

Ronnie (Fast Eddie) Allen:
1977, Joe Burns was holding his annual tournament in Dayton (Forest Park), Ohio.

Walter Tevis; author of "The Hustler" and later, "The Color of Money" was in attendance, and being a writer fascinated with the gambling aspect of pool, seemingly had asked all of my peers who the best money player was and they referred him to me.

I agreed to do a tape recorded interview with Mr. Tevis while playing chess in his suite at the Holiday Inn in Dayton, Ohio.

Subsequently, Nov.77 Sports Illustrated published a 3 page article about me, which began as me being the best money player in the world, and ended with me being some kind of womanizer...Go figure.

At one point during this interview, I became the interviewer instead of interviewee, I flat out asked Mr. Tevis who he based Fast Eddie Felson on?

His reply went something like this; I went to Corcoran's Pool Roon in Frisco and saw a young, brash player by the name of Ronnie Allen who was a worldbeater, got the idea for the book and the rest is fiction and history.

Rudolph Wanderone "Minnesota Fats" was "New York Fats" before The Hustler came out. He sued the movie studio and won $25,000 and the rights to the name Minnesota Fats, the similarities were undeniable on who Walter Tevis had based Jackie Gleason's character on.

I know who the real Fast Eddie Felson was based on in Walter Tevis's mind - - Ronnie Allen!

Ronnie was faster than a speeding bullet, able to lift spectators out of their chair, and who, disguised as a mild mannered poolplayer could talk the Pope into staking him, after all it wasn't gambling because Ronnie always had the nuts (pool slang meaning he couldn't lose), if you don't believe me, just ask Ronnie.

1967, Norwalk, CA.. The first time I saw Fast hit a ball, he was giving Dado (the phillipino) who was a pretty good player, a handicap. From afar I saw the crowd interest in the game and asked a sweater (professional watcher), how they were playing...
$300 one pocket, Ronnie's playing him - his 1 hand to Dado's 2, and giving him 8 to 5 and the break. Tough game huh?

I walked in close for a better view (so help me this is true), Ronnie was almost frozen on the end rail, there were four balls that had been broken out of the stack and they were surrounding Dado's pocket.

Ronnie started grinning, talking to the crowd in general and Dado in particular, said something to this effect; I don't understand it Dado, don't you ever make a mistake, man you move as good as I do.

Look at the trap I'm in here.

Ronnie looking hard at the shot, still talking, smiling and chuckling about what a bad game this is, Then he seemed to see something(a way out) nobody else could see...

Ronnie jacked up (w/1 hand) & fired into the highest ball above Dado's pocket...
When the smoke cleared - all 4 balls were spinning toward and transplanted in front of Ronnie's pocket, and low and behold - the cueball was frozen against the stack!!!

Dado looked like he just got sentenced to the electric chair!!!

To this day it is right up there with the best one pocket shots of all time. Fast Eddie beat him flat after that, Dado never won a game...

In 1966 - Ronnie won the Straight Pool, Nine Ball, and One Pocket All-Around Championship, held at the Stardust Hotel in Las Vegas.

For over 20 years, nobody would play him even-up one pocket. Facts speak for themselves, in 1971 Ronnie grabbed the microphone at the beginning of the Hustlers Tournament in Johnston City Illinois, offered everybody there 10 to 8 in one pocket --no takers.

Ronnie will go down in my mind as having the highest gear I've ever seen in one pocket, and you know I've seen them all.

Ronnie will go down in my mind as being one of the most entertaining players to watch.

Ronnie will go down in my mind as someone who always looked for and created action.

Jack (Jersey Red) Breit told it like it is (or was), he said; " With plastic balls, Ronnie Allen is the greatest one pocket player of all time."

Ronnie ( Fast Eddie Allen ) deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

He deserves it, justice demands it... Jimmy Reid


Again, Happy 70th Birthday, Ronnie,,,,,,,,,,,,,$Bill
 
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