I need some help with the learning curve for using the Fastbond 10 glue system. I went on youtube and watched both parts of the diamond video but on my computer I get no audio. I have the 3 inch roller with the quarter inch nap, it shows the guy on the video loading all the glue on the roller at the beginning and never shows him add any more glue after that, so I'm guessing he does the slate all the way around, and then around a second time, and then when he does the cloth at the end the roller is fairly dry compared to when he started???? How long do you wait between the first and second coatings of the slate. My first try I waited too long and had spider webs of glue all over the place. I moved in another table in my living room to practice this on, so I'll be using your tips this weekend to figure this out. Any tips or dos/dont's would be apprecciated!!!! When I tried the glue soaked through the cloth from too much glue obviously...Thanks again for any help , Gordon 425-275-8255 LAS VEGAS
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I can't help you with the system that you are using but when the glue soaks thru the cloth it's because the glue didn't set up enough yet (it was still too wet) not so much because you used too much. It's a real fine line as to when the glue is ready and it only gets easier the more you practice.
I use spray glue and I like to touch it to make sure it is ready, it should feel like very sticky duct tape , not wet at all.
I use spray glue and I like to touch it to make sure it is ready, it should feel like very sticky duct tape , not wet at all.
It is soaking thru because the glue is not set up yet ,not because of what kind of glue it is.Tell him how to do it the right way . One day I will get it right:thumbup:
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FASTBOND 10 Roll on glue
I have recovered several hundered tables with spray glue but now I'm trying to learn this new Simonis/Diamond/RKC roll on glue method. I got talked into helping a friend move today so I didn't have a chance to do any glue practice, but I was able to get the table frame and slate set up so I can this weekend.thanks for all the help
I have recovered several hundered tables with spray glue but now I'm trying to learn this new Simonis/Diamond/RKC roll on glue method. I got talked into helping a friend move today so I didn't have a chance to do any glue practice, but I was able to get the table frame and slate set up so I can this weekend.thanks for all the help
Gordon,
You need to allow the 3-M10 to get thick. Pour some into a paint roller tray and walk away from it. When it gets to the consistency of thick maple syrup it is ready to use. Go easy on the felt coat so it does not bleed through but if you waited long enough the glue will be thick and stringy and not bleed through. "Roll lightly" is the best way I can explain how to roll the glue on the felt. Glue will be tacky when ready to put on the cloth. Good luck!!!!
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Mort
cloth glue
If you notice in the video they don't show you the index on where to apply the glue on the cloth at the head or foot of cloth "witch every way you decide to stretch" so the glue lands on its marks when tightly stretched to the slate'.-anchor side is kinda obvious'
Anyone on there first attempt trying to copy what they do on that video is gonna be scratching there head for a little bit trying to figure it out..especially if its a 9' table or not simonis 860HR cloth..
-i do support diamond for leaving that video on youtube'
_its a peek into what's in the future of cloth installation'
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Rob.M
If you notice in the video they don't show you the index on where to apply the glue on the cloth at the head or foot of cloth "witch every way you decide to stretch" so the glue lands on its marks when tightly stretched to the slate'.-anchor side is kinda obvious'
Anyone on there first attempt trying to copy what they do on that video is gonna be scratching there head for a little bit trying to figure it out..especially if its a 9' table or not simonis 860HR cloth..
-i do support diamond for leaving that video on youtube'
_its a peek into what's in the future of cloth installation'
()/
Rob.M
disregard what the previous posters are saying about letting it set up. you want to get the glue from the pan to the table quickly, even more so since your in Vegas. This method takes me about 5 minutes to install the glue and 5 minutes to stretch. This is your problem, your getting to much glue on the roller, secondly you need to roll the roller in the pan until its tacky. you don't want to paint the glue on it should have texture.
as Glen RKC , conveyed it to me .. it is imperative NOT to roll back and forth in the same place as that is what creates that spider webbing and matting of glue balls .. Load the roller and in one maybe two swipes transfer the glue and move on .. Perhaps Glen will chime in and elaborate as it is his technique.. I'm sure the video is forthcoming ... Ya Think ??
I just used this method on my table yesterday. It worked well. The part I struggled with a bit is, like someone mentioned, getting the cloth glue to land on it's mark on the head and foot rail, as well as the pockets. It was my first time though. I went with a 2.25" stretch side to side. FYI, use gloves...I no longer have flesh on my knuckles. It rug burned it all off, lol.
Stretch 2.25" for what cloth
I'm sure once I get used to this glue all of the particular cloths have a certain range of stretch that works best. How did that 2.25" stretch work out, was it tooo much or short of where it needed to be.? also, what type of cloth? They use simonis for the video, but I'm doing my first few tables with Championship Invitational to get the feel of the Glue. thanks for the help
I'm sure once I get used to this glue all of the particular cloths have a certain range of stretch that works best. How did that 2.25" stretch work out, was it tooo much or short of where it needed to be.? also, what type of cloth? They use simonis for the video, but I'm doing my first few tables with Championship Invitational to get the feel of the Glue. thanks for the help
Simonis stretch is consistent from bolt to bolt which can't be said about other brands.
The amount you can stretch a piece of cloth depends on the mfg/style of the cloth.
Once your anchor side is done - stretch and mark the cloth where it will hit the slate.
If you're using a 3" roller then you shouldn't have a problem hitting a 1" slate edge.
The amount you can stretch a piece of cloth depends on the mfg/style of the cloth.
Once your anchor side is done - stretch and mark the cloth where it will hit the slate.
If you're using a 3" roller then you shouldn't have a problem hitting a 1" slate edge.
It was Simonis 860HR on a 7' Diamond Proam. The 2.25" seems plenty tight to me. Don't forget the gloves, lol.
knuckles
Seeing that people are removing there skin from there knuckles while installing cloth I figured I would let ya in on my secret'. When installing cloth it takes a few pulls to get the cloth stretched out before gluing, especially simonis/worsted cloths..during these pulls the knuckles take a beating!
I'm show you what I do.. I have never had a problem with skin removal since'
-electrical tape'
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Rob.M
Seeing that people are removing there skin from there knuckles while installing cloth I figured I would let ya in on my secret'. When installing cloth it takes a few pulls to get the cloth stretched out before gluing, especially simonis/worsted cloths..during these pulls the knuckles take a beating!
I'm show you what I do.. I have never had a problem with skin removal since'
-electrical tape'
-,-
Rob.M
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If 3m Fastbond 10 soaks through and is noticeable around the side pocket, what will diminish/remove the glue once it is set? Anything? I have tried to help a friend remove the glue stain on his table with a horsehair brush....it helped a little, but I am hesitant to use a stiffer brush or a solvent, in fear of damaging the Simonis. Anybody have a solution to this?
Thanks in advance!
White cloth medical tape works wonderfully as well. Nice and flexible and you can still grip with it on.
It is true that if you're getting bleed-thru, you're either using too much glue, or "pushing" it into the cloth when you're rolling it on. Just lightly roll over it and lift the roller off. You do want to get the glue onto the cloth and the slate quickly and then allow it to set up while it is on the surface you're wanting to glue, not before. It's a little tricky at first, but definitely worth the practice.
It is true that if you're getting bleed-thru, you're either using too much glue, or "pushing" it into the cloth when you're rolling it on. Just lightly roll over it and lift the roller off. You do want to get the glue onto the cloth and the slate quickly and then allow it to set up while it is on the surface you're wanting to glue, not before. It's a little tricky at first, but definitely worth the practice.
What are you guys talking about wearing gloves and taping you're fingers for?....I'm lost on that...what has that got to do with putting cloth on with glue:rotflmao1::rotflmao::lmao::rotflmao1: