Fat's One Liners

jnav447 said:
Fats was working the road down south and a bunch of mosquitos were flying around in the car. Fats says "These skeeters are like pool hustlers - they buzz through town and when they leave ya need a malaria shot and a new bankroll". If I could put together a match between any two players it would be Fats and Ronnie Allen. I don't think pool could get any more entertaining than that.

I saw a bit of it when I was just a kid. I don't remember much cause all I played was 9-ball and didn't understand 1 pocket at all, so it was kind of boring.
From what I remember though Ronnie was making most of the noise and Fats was doing most of the collecting.
 
Fats Speechless??/Never thought I would see that.

It was at Johnson City, late 60's Souther IL, lots of hippie farmers in the area, this hippie chick wanted Fats autograph, he wipped out his signature stamp and stamped I guess the program don't really remember, but what I do remember is her response "if I wanted a signature like that I would of gone to the bank" amazingly, Fat's had no response.
 
ironman said:
I remember that gruffy old voice and how hot he would get at people too. I thought sometimes he was gonna pass out when he lost his breath.
The guy had more loose bolts than a Studebaker and I don't think he really meant to knock people like he did, he just did it without thinking.
San Jose Dick came through and put down a pretty good spread with Sid, trying to trap Piccoli the Bookie and it was going good. Old Pic had gone off pretty goodd a few times and was a score if it was laid down right.
Dick finally had him in a good spot (like 9-7, the nuts) and in walks Marty and he walks right up to Dick and shakes his hand and makes his speech. Pic conceded the game and paid off and then turned and handed Marty 10 dollar bill as he unscrewed. That Dick was so hot and turned so red I thought his head was gonna pop. Ten minutes later Dick was out the door and never to be seen around Denver again.

Sorry I missed this thread. I used to hear some guys tell Fat Marty stories. They had a gross one of riding to a tournament in Fort Collins with him and trying to get back to Denver on black ice when Marty crapped his pants and sat in it. You can't just crack a window and light a cigarette when that happens. I never met the guy tho, I was too young.


I played Pic in a 3 cushion weekly tournament when he was very old. He wore his overcoat IIRC and started out horribly. I was beating him which was a major upset. Then his look changed, I left him something and he had a lucid moment, ran eight, left everything frozen and went back to his chair to shake. He was really old, must be dead now, but I didn't hear. Guys said back in the day Pic was not to be screwed with, was that the case???
 
JPB said:
Sorry I missed this thread. I used to hear some guys tell Fat Marty stories. They had a gross one of riding to a tournament in Fort Collins with him and trying to get back to Denver on black ice when Marty crapped his pants and sat in it. You can't just crack a window and light a cigarette when that happens. I never met the guy tho, I was too young.


I played Pic in a 3 cushion weekly tournament when he was very old. He wore his overcoat IIRC and started out horribly. I was beating him which was a major upset. Then his look changed, I left him something and he had a lucid moment, ran eight, left everything frozen and went back to his chair to shake. He was really old, must be dead now, but I didn't hear. Guys said back in the day Pic was not to be screwed with, was that the case???
I never heard that story, but, it is not hard to imagine.
Pic at one time was a very shrewd man. I mean as sharp as a tack. He slipped in the snow and fell on his back porch, hitting his head on the bottom step. He had a couple operations, but was left with some brain damage.
Pic was a solid 3 cushion player, played the golf game pretty well, and was a fair one pocket player. He was smart though and knew how to match uup. If you gave him the nuts and figured out how to outrun em, you could score.
Danny Medina was at his peak and gave Pic the 5 and the break and beat him out about 25k in a couple of days. That was a lot of money in those days.
I liked the guy.
 
Richie only gave Fatty 8 to 7

OldHasBeen said:
He told me about Fatty beating Richie Florence out of $40K getting 9 to 7. It took him almost 20 min to tell as he is almost as good a story teller as Fats was.
TY & GL

I was in Johnston City at that time. Vernons recollection is almost right. Richie was only giving Fatty 8 to 7. Ronnie Allen was giving Fatty 9 to 7 and $330 to $300 in money. Neither guy had a good game. Fatty did beat Richie out of at least 30k and maybe 40k. Richie and Ronnie were on the road together and had just come from beating Cleo Vaughn to amass that bankroll. To this day, I still believe that Ronnie was in with Fatty. The brutal way that Fatty outmanaged, and manuevered Richie to beat him was scandalous. They started playing about 30 days before the Johnston City tourney started, so Fats had Richie all to himself. Richie never recovered from the "gutting" Fatty gave him. After that strumming, his pool glory days were over. It's hard to imagine that Ronnie would let his road partner get jerked around as badly as Fats was doing to Richie without getting compensated. They played when Fats wanted to play; they bet what Fats wanted to bet; they quit when Fats wanted to quit -- if Richie started shooting too good, Fats would quit and wait til the next day to continue-- if Fats was winning, they would play all night. It was a classic example of just how good a turned out hustler Fats was.

the Beard
Bank on brother! Old school pool, and merry xmas to all.
 
Norman Hitchcock

ironman said:
Old Norman Hictchcock told me a couple of times that Ufalla Kid was the best he had ever seen. Did you ever play old Norman?

I played Norman Hitchcock in Truelove's pool room in OK City. I gave him 10 to 8 playing Onepocket on the trick table. I won. To glaringly illustrate the differences between 9 ball and Onepocket, I couldnt take the 6 ball from Norman playing 9ball!

the Beard
Merry xmas, and happy holiday to all others
 
freddy the beard said:
I was in Johnston City at that time. Vernons recollection is almost right. Richie was only giving Fatty 8 to 7. Ronnie Allen was giving Fatty 9 to 7 and $330 to $300 in money. Neither guy had a good game. Fatty did beat Richie out of at least 30k and maybe 40k. Richie and Ronnie were on the road together and had just come from beating Cleo Vaughn to amass that bankroll. To this day, I still believe that Ronnie was in with Fatty. The brutal way that Fatty outmanaged, and manuevered Richie to beat him was scandalous. They started playing about 30 days before the Johnston City tourney started, so Fats had Richie all to himself. Richie never recovered from the "gutting" Fatty gave him. After that strumming, his pool glory days were over. It's hard to imagine that Ronnie would let his road partner get jerked around as badly as Fats was doing to Richie without getting compensated. They played when Fats wanted to play; they bet what Fats wanted to bet; they quit when Fats wanted to quit -- if Richie started shooting too good, Fats would quit and wait til the next day to continue-- if Fats was winning, they would play all night. It was a classic example of just how good a turned out hustler Fats was.

the Beard
Bank on brother! Old school pool, and merry xmas to all.


Freddy,
I never realized the fat man played that good to get only 9 to 7 from Ronnie. my grandfather was Don Willis from Canton Ohio and they used to go on the road togather playing cards and playing pool. My grandfather told me that they never wanted to play fats because even before he "borrowed" the name Minnesota Fats if you played him you were facing the nuts and his loud style would knock you.
 
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Not to hijack the fats thread, but since I am enjoying the stories so much I will retell one about my grandfathers Don Willis. Little is known that Don was a very accomplished poker player aside from being maybe the best nineballer of his generation and a great sraight pool player. during his road days my grandfather was home for the holidays when Don got a call from a well known retired St. Louis Cardinals pitcher. He was stuck over 30 dimes playing poker and he wanted Don to come help him out. Grandpa left for Vegas that night. Grandpa played on their friends roll. About five days in they had won about 25k when they were playing seven card with a Texan from Amarillo who talked about playing onepocket. My grandfather's intrest piped up and he asked if the stranger wanted to play straight pool. The stranger said he would play one pocket for 200 dollars a ball (My grandfather told me back then a lot of onepocket games was the first on to 25 balls?) They went to one of the locals house and my grandfather won two games by a relative slim margin and won about 1000 dollars. The texan told them if they wanted a straight pool game they could come back tomorrow with a player and "bet what they could carry" Don told the texan he would play and he could carry a lot. The next day they showed up and the game was made straights to 500 for 20k. Don proceeded to win by over 200 balls running 176 and out after the texan told them they would never get a pool game with him again. That his how my grandfather beat Amarillo Slim for the chedder and got Dizzy Dean back in black.
I miss they stories from Grandpa

Huck
 
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huckster said:
Not to hijack the fats thread, but since I am enjoying the stories so much I will retell one about my grandfathers cousin Don Willis. Little is known that Don was a very accomplished poker player aside from being maybe the best nineballer of his generation and a great sraight pool player. during his road days my grandfather and Don were home for the holidays when Don got a call from a well known retired St. Louis Cardinals pitcher. He was stuck over 30 dimes playing poker and he wanted Don to come help him out. Don and Grandpa left for Vegas that night. Don and Grandpa both played on their friends roll. About five days in they had won about 25k when they were playing seven card with a Texan from Amarillo who talked about playing onepocket. My grandfather's intrest piped up and he asked if the stranger wanted to play straight pool. The stranger said he would play one pocket for 200 dollars a ball (My grandfather told me back then a lot of onepocket games was the first on to 25 balls?) They went to one of the locals house and my grandfather won two games by a relative slim margin and won about 1000 dollars. The texan told them if they wanted a straight pool game they could come back tomorrow with a player and "bet what they could carry" Don told the texan he would play and he could carry a lot. The next day they showed up and the game was made straights to 500 for 20k. Don proceeded to win by over 200 balls running 176 and out after the texan told them they would never get a pool game with him again. That his how my grandfather and Don beat Amarillo Slim for the chedder and got Dizzy Dean back in black.
I miss they stories from Grandpa H

Huck

Wow, what a story. Some pretty legendary people in that room.
I would have loved to have met that Dizzy Dean as I am from Arkansas too and he was like God there. I've heard over the years about Don Willis too and that he was one hell of a player.
I met Slim once down in Amarillo, very briefly and tried to get him down, but he was done with all the "scuf stuff" by then. He acted like he was a movie star or something.
I think I would have liked Granpa H also.
Dizzy Dean huh, I'll be dam.
 
freddy the beard said:
I played Norman Hitchcock in Truelove's pool room in OK City. I gave him 10 to 8 playing Onepocket on the trick table. I won. To glaringly illustrate the differences between 9 ball and Onepocket, I couldnt take the 6 ball from Norman playing 9ball!

the Beard
Merry xmas, and happy holiday to all others

He played that 9-ball pretty darn good. I played him some at that Trueloves and he was way past his prime by then.
He had some huge poker player staking him and this backer was just giving Norm hell every time he missed. This guy was so big and riding Norm so bad that it was rattling me some.
I ended uup with the money, but between the two of us, me and the backer, we just wore him out.
They say that in his day though he could really get with it.
I heard all kinds of crazy stories that the old mob did to him.
 
Fatty to Handsome Danny Jones "Well, Hello Daniel ! Welcome to
the lions den!

Fats to Cornbread Red "If I had a stroke like that,I'd be making my
living somewhere up in Oregon,sawing cord wood. If Cornbread Red ever
plays meeee, he'll be known as "No Bread Red".
 
More on Omaha, the Denver days

ironman said:
Old Marty (omaha fats) spent his last years in Denver...


First ran into Marty in 1966 at the old Celebrity Lanes in Glendale. In those days, Denver had a law that closed pool rooms at midnight. That left Celebrity and the Family Fun Center (in Wheat Ridge) for post-midnight action.

By the time I met him, Marty was far past his prime -- assuming he'd had one. Of course he maintained he did. By this point he was mostly a showman who considered $2 nine-ball above his limit. He could still run a rack of 9-ball, but he wasn't capable of matching up with the town's top players. I watched him play 9-ball -- serious 9-ball -- with kids for quarters. Sometimes I was one of those kids (18 at the time). He did his one-handed schtick, but a local guy named Joe Finesilver could take him in jack pool.

If his skills were declining on the green, his mouth was sublime. To hear Marty tell it, he was the real Fats. The guy known as Minnesota had been ducking him for years -- and riding on his
, that is Marty's -- reputation! For you fans of irony, the idea of one charlatan accusing a seconod charlatan of stealing his reputation is priceless. (Not that Minnesota couldn't actually play in his prime.)

Fat Marty (as we called Omaha) would swoop into the Celebrity Lanes parking lot in his old black Cadillac convertible, with his sidekick, Okie, at the wheel. Okie was an old-timer who lived in a Downtown hotel, sometimes with Marty. Okie could still play a little golf (on a snooker table) and he also ran with another old-timer named Floyd, always ready with a deck of cards or pair of dice. Both always wore ties and jackets. Marty, as has been described, favored old gray trousers, a dirty white t-shirt, and an ugly green cardigan. And comfortable shoes.

Anyway, Marty was a loudmouth who didn't exactly endear himself to Denver's underground pool world. He was a sideshow. Marty became my great friend after I bought him breakfast -- steak and eggs for 99 cents at the old White Spot on Colfax and Gaylord. He'd asked me if I could drive him Downtown after we ate, and I said sure. Never forget the look on Marty's face when he saw my wheels -- a 1954 Volkswagen bug. Good sport that he was -- and with few options at 3 in the morning -- he piled into the Bug and I drove him to his fleabag hotel somewhere on 18th Street. He moaned the whole way. After that, he was always my great pal whenever our paths crossed.

My pool wanderings took me around the country, and most places I went, I couldn't find players who knew about Marty, so I'd concluded he was mostly a Denver figure. That's why it's been so gratifying to read these posts. As has been said, he was one of the great characters, if not players. Thanks to all for your posts.

Anyway, last time I saw Marty was at the old Family Fun Center, maybe in the early to mid '80s. He recognized me, but said immediately, "I've changed. I can't play. I've had a stroke." I tried to make conversation but found it difficult. I offered to buy him steak and eggs, but he just shookd his head. I'm guessing he died shortly thereafter, though I never heard anything definite. RIP, old pal.
 
9ballPaul:

Being from Denver, you must have crossed paths with David Gomez... a short latino guy in snakeskin cowboy boots... I saw him play in a bar-box tourney one time and he was completely on fire. He would smash the balls around and seemed like he was shooting at break speed for every shot, but the cueball would run around and around and end up in great position for his next shot. I have never seen anyone brutalize a bar table like that guy.

Please share any stories you have about him or any other players (Medina, Joe, Willie, or John Alvarez) that you remember.
 
Don't want to cut into this topic, but want to keep the stories flowing...

I saw Willie Alvarez at Match-Ups in Fort Collins one day (about 1988) when I went there to practice. He was also practicing. He was shooting a steep cut into the side... over and over... for the whole time we were there, which was at least two hours, he just shot that same shot, setting out one ball at a time and knocking it down. I don't think he ever missed it either. The only break he took was to come over to ask us if we wanted to play some $20 sets... We were barely above banger status (guppies), and recognized a predator when we saw it.

Also saw a tournament there in 1990 with Davie Black and Pete Trujillio from Cheyenne... both scary players in their own right.... I think Medina and Ernie Martinez played that time too.
 
Island Drive said:
Fats was playin' this guy, his opponent said, "did you see that ball roll" Fats replied "thats why their round son"

If I'm a has been then your an "is been"

I heard Fats was playin Willie and a ball rolled off when Willie shot so Willie said, "Look at that ball roll!" And Fats said, "They're supposed to roll Willie, they're round."
 
BillYards said:
9ballPaul:

Being from Denver, you must have crossed paths with David Gomez... a short latino guy in snakeskin cowboy boots... I saw him play in a bar-box tourney one time and he was completely on fire. He would smash the balls around and seemed like he was shooting at break speed for every shot, but the cueball would run around and around and end up in great position for his next shot. I have never seen anyone brutalize a bar table like that guy.

Please share any stories you have about him or any other players (Medina, Joe, Willie, or John Alvarez) that you remember.
Davie Gomez is back in the mix of things after a rather,,,,, lengthy vacation sponsored by the state. He is about 5ft 6 in and wighs about 130. At one time, he gave a lot of people hell on the bar box.
A well known Book from the southeast came through
Denver and with him was Kieth, Tony Watson, Dennis Hatch, and Shannon. Davie couldn't get the game he wanted, so he just played each one of them races for $500. That is not big money, but it takes some heart to fire at a cast like that. He ended up loser, but Davie would put his money out there. Ask Terry Mcfadden about it, he was running the joint.
Willie Alvarez is/was one of the nicest people you would ever want to meet. Willie was always a family man and nothing in life meant more to him. He could play though. He had one of the sweetest stokes ever.
His son, Joe, became quite a player himself and the lasst I heard, he was running Cutopia in Vegas. That was a while back though.
 
BillYards said:
Don't want to cut into this topic, but want to keep the stories flowing...

I saw Willie Alvarez at Match-Ups in Fort Collins one day (about 1988) when I went there to practice. He was also practicing. He was shooting a steep cut into the side... over and over... for the whole time we were there, which was at least two hours, he just shot that same shot, setting out one ball at a time and knocking it down. I don't think he ever missed it either. The only break he took was to come over to ask us if we wanted to play some $20 sets... We were barely above banger status (guppies), and recognized a predator when we saw it.

Also saw a tournament there in 1990 with Davie Black and Pete Trujillio from Cheyenne... both scary players in their own right.... I think Medina and Ernie Martinez played that time too.

Danny Medina. I can tell a lot of stories about that guy as we went on many trips together and always did well.
I'll just sum it up like this, in his prime, I have never seen anyone who shot as straight as Danny and he had the most explosive break at that time as well. His break was always out of control, but it sounded like a cannon. I saw him run 10 racks twice in one week.
Davie Black played pretty good on the bar box.
Pete played pretty good everything. Pete had a lot of gamble and another one of the really good guys.
Man, you guys are making me homesick!
 
An exhibition in Rochester NY.....

As Fats is in the middle of his exhibition, a spectator says, "Hey Fats, you can't beat Irving Crane!" (local favorite to Rochester)

To which Fats replies, "I'm here, where's he?! He's probably out sellin' cars! I never had to sell cars to make money, all I ever did was shoot pool for my money, and now I got so much of it - Lloyd's of London gets loans from me!"
 
no doubt Fats said much the same thing more than once . . .

PoolBum said:
I heard Fats was playin Willie and a ball rolled off when Willie shot so Willie said, "Look at that ball roll!" And Fats said, "They're supposed to roll Willie, they're round."


One of the Willie Mosconi/Fats shows on TV, Fats had been belly aching nonstop the entire match. Willie was his usual quiet and professional self. Towards the end of the match Willie sunk a ball but missed shape on the next one. Annoyed with himself, he muttered "ball rolled". Fats heard and replied in a loud growl, "Of course it rolled, it's round ain't it?"

I never saw Fats play anything resembling great pool but he was a showman and hustler extraordinaire even in later years.

Hu
 
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