Fear of Feel

[336Robin]

Great Information

Nice post Robin.

The important thing is to align your body, shoulder, elbow and a point on your grip hand on the shot line. Which I'm sure you already know.

Where the parallax comes in is from the standing position behind the QB with the OB.
I'm 6'2" tall (and right eye dominant), when standing behind a shot of some distance I have to align my body, shoulder, elbow and a point on my grip hand on the shot line as my LEFT eye sees it. When I bend down into the shooting position the QB and OB balls become closer. This is where my dominant eye takes over for a precise line on the aim point.

One way you can test this is to (if your right eye dominant) use the approach as stated above. The line of the shot (while in the standing position) will not change no matter if you close your left eye and view it with the right or close the left close and view it with the right eye. This is from the standing position only. Your body is on the shot line.

When you bend down into the shooting position the balls will appear to be closer and your cue will fall close to the dominant eye position.

Whatever you do, from the standing position never take your eye off of the OB until you are in the shooting position, then you can look at the cue ball.

To double check this, line up a shot (while in the standing position) just using your dominant eye. Now close the dominant eye and look at the shot. Is it still straight in, I don't think so.
The eyes only see the same picture when the object viewed is at a distance of approx. 30'. Our eyes are separated by approx. 2-1/4" we have a built in parallax.

I read all of your posts and enjoy them. Thanks. :smile:

John

That was some great information John. I just wish you had a cure for left eye dominant in your bag of tricks. Every once in awhile I get a little uncomfortable with long straight ins, then I shoot a few to re-calibrate my eyes and am ok again. Straight ins off the rail are my kind of shot though. I probably am 90 % or better to make them. Something about being close to ball helps dial me in.

I do wish I were out your way, I haven't played One Pocket in awhile. Its my favorite game and few in my home room play it. Wasn't it Strawberry Brooks that said its a disease and there ain't no cure? If there was I sure wouldn't want it. Great game. That was quite a compliment and thank you. I can slip a snarky comment in every once in awhile without people getting too upset. When it comes right down to it you know it is what it is and most folks know what the deal is. Hit em well.

 

[ENGLISH!]

That was some great information John. I just wish you had a cure for left eye dominant in your bag of tricks. Every once in awhile I get a little uncomfortable with long straight ins, then I shoot a few to re-calibrate my eyes and am ok again. Straight ins off the rail are my kind of shot though. I probably am 90 % or better to make them. Something about being close to ball helps dial me in.....

Hi Robin,

Have you tried looking at the OB continually while transitioning from the the standing to the shooting position? Don't look at the CB until you are set in the shooting position.

It's working for me.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick

 

[336Robin]

Straight Ins

Hi Robin,

Have you tried looking at the OB continually while transitioning from the the standing to the shooting position? Don't look at the CB until you are set in the shooting position.

It's working for me.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick

Yes I have actually. I stroke the cue tip at the pocket and my balls go in on straight ins, Seems to work. I keep the OB in the center of the vision and I dont worry so much about the cue ball after I get down on the shot. I check it once and thats it.

 

[One Pocket John]

That was some great information John. I just wish you had a cure for left eye dominant in your bag of tricks. Every once in awhile I get a little uncomfortable with long straight ins, then I shoot a few to re-calibrate my eyes and am ok again. Straight ins off the rail are my kind of shot though. I probably am 90 % or better to make them. Something about being close to ball helps dial me in.

I do wish I were out your way, I haven't played One Pocket in awhile. Its my favorite game and few in my home room play it. Wasn't it Strawberry Brooks that said its a disease and there ain't no cure? If there was I sure wouldn't want it. Great game. That was quite a compliment and thank you. I can slip a snarky comment in every once in awhile without people getting too upset. When it comes right down to it you know it is what it is and most folks know what the deal is. Hit em well.

Use your right eye then in the standing position to line up on the shot line. Then while bending over to get into the shooting position do no take your right eye off of the shooting line until you are down behind the QB. Try it.

John

 

[336Robin]

Ok

Use your right eye then in the standing position to line up on the shot line. Then while bending over to get into the shooting position do no take your right eye off of the shooting line until you are down behind the QB. Try it.

John

Thanks John,
I will try that this afternoon for sure.

 

[CJ Wiley]

I really like the number 17, it means VICTORY

Yes. 17 shot angles in CJ's method (if followed robotically):

Cuts to the right -- aim one of four points on the right side of the center of the CB at either the center of the OB or the left edge of the OB. 4 x 2 = 8.

Cuts to the left -- aim one of four points on the left side of the center of the CB at either the center of the OB or the right edge of the OB. 4 x 2 = 8.

Straight shot -- aim the center of the CB at the center of the OB = 1.

This was discussed in some detail 2½ years ago in posts 29 through 53 of this thread (sorry my link did not work in my #350 above; I have fixed it): http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=289527

Edit: and post #45 in that thread explains what I mean about it being an "eighths" method.

Isn't a 45 degree angle cut the to left the same {angle} as a 45 degree angle cut to the right?

I really like the number 17, it means VICTORY* in numerics from the older manuscripts.

*
Now, let us consider the number 17, which refers to victory. Seventeen is not only a prime or indivisible number, but it is also the seventh in the series of prime numbers (i.e., 1, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17). The number 7 signifies completeness, which adds to the significance of the meaning of the number 17. Again, Bullinger explains (page 258): “In like manner seventeen being the seventh of the series, it partakes of and intensifies the significance of the number seven. Indeed, it is the combination or sum of the two perfect numbers―seven and ten―seven being the number of spiritual perfection, and ten of ordinal perfection. Contrasted together the significance of these two numbers is clear; and when united in the number seventeen we have a union of their respective meanings, viz., spiritual perfection, plus ordinal perfection, or the perfection of spiritual order.”

 

[One Pocket John]

Thanks John,
I will try that this afternoon for sure.

This method is to get your body, right toe, right shoulder, and elbow on the shot line and not about aiming a shot.

Have fun. :smile:

John

 

[336Robin]

You are right. Great Advice!

This method is to get your body, right toe, right shoulder, and elbow on the shot line and not about aiming a shot.

Have fun. :smile:

John

Well John you were absolutely right! I had been shooting in the center of both of my eyes because of my left eye dominance and it was a mistake. The first shot or two it caused me a little pause because I was used to another way then it started getting better and my average on straight ins went up. I would get down thinking right eye, right eye and was watching all my shots hit the part of the pocket I was sending them to so I started doing it on all of my shots. I had accepted my left eye dominance and was doing the best I could with it. This all makes sense with something a friend of mine told me once. He said he started out left eye dominant and because of pool his eyes switched over at a point now I understand why that happened. My ball pocketing confidence took a big turn upwards. Thank you so much!

 

[DTL]

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[336Robin]

A tip from the Perfect Aim guy, Gene Albrecht...........right?

DTL

No Sir Gene has another Screen Name. I can t remember it right off genomachino I believe.

 

[DTL]

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[CJ Wiley]

I believe it's because it frees the subconscious from having to make adjustments

This method is to get your body, right toe, right shoulder, and elbow on the shot line and not about aiming a shot.

Have fun. :smile:

John

What's interesting about the game, is when the alignment is correct, the aiming is natural.....I believe it's because it frees the subconscious from having to make so many unnecessary adjustments, resulting in using your "master, inner computer" to create angles with the added mental horsepower. At this point students of the game get a pleasant surprise......the shots seem to go in without trying....almost like magic. 'The Inner Game is the Teacher'

 

[One Pocket John]

Well John you were absolutely right! I had been shooting in the center of both of my eyes because of my left eye dominance and it was a mistake. The first shot or two it caused me a little pause because I was used to another way then it started getting better and my average on straight ins went up. I would get down thinking right eye, right eye and was watching all my shots hit the part of the pocket I was sending them to so I started doing it on all of my shots. I had accepted my left eye dominance and was doing the best I could with it. This all makes sense with something a friend of mine told me once. He said he started out left eye dominant and because of pool his eyes switched over at a point now I understand why that happened. My ball pocketing confidence took a big turn upwards. Thank you so much!

Your left eye is still your strongest eye and when in the shooting position the cue should be somewhere between the bridge of your nose and left eye.

All we have done is reduce or eliminate the parallax error between our eyes. Each eye will see the same picture.

In the standing position line up a straight in shot of some distance just using your strongest eye while keeping the other eye closed. When you feel that you are lined up on the shot line open the other eye and close your strongest eye. Does the shot still look straight in? I don't think so. What you are seeing is the parallax error between your eyes. They are not seeing the same picture.

Having a straight stroke and being able to deliver the cue in a straight line is great. But you have got to be delivering the cue somewhere and this is determined by the information your getting from your eyes.

Glad I could help Robin.

 

[336Robin]

Listening to Folks

Your left eye is still your strongest eye and when in the shooting position the cue should be somewhere between the bridge of your nose and left eye.

All we have done is reduce or eliminate the parallax error between our eyes. Each eye will see the same picture.

In the standing position line up a straight in shot of some distance just using your strongest eye while keeping the other eye closed. When you feel that you are lined up on the shot line open the other eye and close your strongest eye. Does the shot still look straight in? I don't think so. What you are seeing is the parallax error between your eyes. They are not seeing the same picture.

Having a straight stroke and being able to deliver the cue in a straight line is great. But you have got to be delivering the cue somewhere and this is determined by the information your getting from your eyes.

Glad I could help Robin.

John,
I did something like you describe above and no It didnt look right and I only did it once, I was having too much fun slapping in to those long straight ins. I try to be good at listening to people and I knew there was something to your tidbit of information. I had hit a place in my game I knew that something was missing and I was searching for it. That was it, onward and upward. Thanks.

 

[336Robin]

Subconcious Adjustments

What's interesting about the game, is when the alignment is correct, the aiming is natural.....I believe it's because it frees the subconscious from having to make so many unnecessary adjustments, resulting in using your "master, inner computer" to create angles with the added mental horsepower. At this point students of the game get a pleasant surprise......the shots seem to go in without trying....almost like magic. 'The Inner Game is the Teacher'

I know you are right here to a larger extent than normal. Not sure if I can address all of it but here goes.

I returned to pool in 2005 and felt sort of lost. I had days I was on like Donkey Kong and days I couldnt hit the side of a barn so I went to take a lesson from a guy who plays locally and is great player..name to go unmentioned please...he was well intentioned.

So he missed balls in the first 3 racks to see if I can finish the rack and I finished all 3 the first rack from the 4 the second from the 6 and the 3rd from 2 and he says you know you play pretty well what did you want me to teach you?

I told him I couldnt control what I did. I told him that I had days of brilliance and duncehood and didnt know why and then he did something that really screwed up my natural game somewhat for quite some time.

He said cue up at High Right and fire that ball in the corner. So I get down on the ball to fire it in and he says...no High Right....my body didnt want to use High Right. He kept insisting I use High Right so I move the cue stick up to High Right and I dont even come close to corner.

This put me on a path of Parallel English and I had been using a form of FHE or BHE all of my life when I did play. I didnt know what FHE or BHE was but that is what I was using to move the ball and mostly I was side swiping the English on in the last stroke as most of the time I potted the balls from a Center Ball English pot line.

This sort of thing exposes the fact that there are a lot of people that do not know how they do what they do but they are certainly doing something and if not careful, you can really mess those folks up so you must or should take extreme care to explain it to them so they understand the differences.

 

[ENGLISH!]

A tip from the Perfect Aim guy, Gene Albrecht...........right?

DTL

Yes.

I think everyone that is serious about their game should probably get Gene's Perfect Aim DVD & then make the complimentary phone call to Gene before they look at the DVD.

It will either confirm that one has no problem & is seeing the line correctly or it will reveal that one does have a problem.

It's like OnePocketJohn inferred, regardless of how good one's stroke is it's not very useful if we're not seeing the line correctly.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick

PS Age can do & does do some odd things to many of us.

 

[CJ Wiley]

The way I can tell is if a teacher can apply what they teach as well

I know you are right here to a larger extent than normal. Not sure if I can address all of it but here goes.

I returned to pool in 2005 and felt sort of lost. I had days I was on like Donkey Kong and days I couldnt hit the side of a barn so I went to take a lesson from a guy who plays locally and is great player..name to go unmentioned please...he was well intentioned.

So he missed balls in the first 3 racks to see if I can finish the rack and I finished all 3 the first rack from the 4 the second from the 6 and the 3rd from 2 and he says you know you play pretty well what did you want me to teach you?

I told him I couldnt control what I did. I told him that I had days of brilliance and duncehood and didnt know why and then he did something that really screwed up my natural game somewhat for quite some time.

He said cue up at High Right and fire that ball in the corner. So I get down on the ball to fire it in and he says...no High Right....my body didnt want to use High Right. He kept insisting I use High Right so I move the cue stick up to High Right and I dont even come close to corner.

This put me on a path of Parallel English and I had been using a form of FHE or BHE all of my life when I did play. I didnt know what FHE or BHE was but that is what I was using to move the ball and mostly I was side swiping the English on in the last stroke as most of the time I potted the balls from a Center Ball English pot line.

This sort of thing exposes the fact that there are a lot of people that do not know how they do what they do but they are certainly doing something and if not careful, you can really mess those folks up so you must or should take extreme care to explain it to them so they understand the differences.

Certainly, there's always a responsibility when teaching people pool, tennis, golf, are martial arts......I've fully aware of all these examples.

The way I can tell is if a teacher can apply what they teach as well as they can explain it. My game is very strong right now, and I credit my teaching for some of the breakthroughs.

In many ways I play better than ever, the only difference is there is very little chance for me to gamble.....this is the way I reach the absolute peak of my personal performance. Tournaments are more about not making mistakes, than hitting those "atomic" gears that seem supernatural. 'The Gambling Game is the Teacher'

 

[One Pocket John]

I know you are right here to a larger extent than normal. Not sure if I can address all of it but here goes.

I returned to pool in 2005 and felt sort of lost. I had days I was on like Donkey Kong and days I couldnt hit the side of a barn so I went to take a lesson from a guy who plays locally and is great player..name to go unmentioned please...he was well intentioned.

So he missed balls in the first 3 racks to see if I can finish the rack and I finished all 3 the first rack from the 4 the second from the 6 and the 3rd from 2 and he says you know you play pretty well what did you want me to teach you?

I told him I couldnt control what I did. I told him that I had days of brilliance and duncehood and didnt know why and then he did something that really screwed up my natural game somewhat for quite some time.

He said cue up at High Right and fire that ball in the corner. So I get down on the ball to fire it in and he says...no High Right....my body didnt want to use High Right. He kept insisting I use High Right so I move the cue stick up to High Right and I dont even come close to corner.

This put me on a path of Parallel English and I had been using a form of FHE or BHE all of my life when I did play. I didnt know what FHE or BHE was but that is what I was using to move the ball and mostly I was side swiping the English on in the last stroke as most of the time I potted the balls from a Center Ball English pot line.

This sort of thing exposes the fact that there are a lot of people that do not know how they do what they do but they are certainly doing something and if not careful, you can really mess those folks up so you must or should take extreme care to explain it to them so they understand the differences.

Interesting that you should bring this up.

Begin watching at 26min 55sec.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kL9ena6j6M

What I have noticed with some pro players is they will cue the QB at center and then on the shot stroke hit the QB in an entirely different place.

Same thing when cuing the QB low, their cue is pointed between the table cloth and the bottom edge of the QB. But on the shot stroke they hit the QB at a different, below center QB, location.

This technique has to be taught because there are so many pro's using it.

I ask only because it has always puzzled me why this is.

Do you know why Robin.

Thanks

John

 

[Neil]

Certainly, there's always a responsibility when teaching people pool, tennis, golf, are martial arts......I've fully aware of all these examples.

The way I can tell is if a teacher can apply what they teach as well as they can explain it. My game is very strong right now, and I credit my teaching for some of the breakthroughs.

In many ways I play better than ever, the only difference is there is very little chance for me to gamble.....this is the way I reach the absolute peak of my personal performance. Tournaments are more about not making mistakes, than hitting those "atomic" gears that seem supernatural. 'The Gambling Game is the Teacher'

If one really knows just what they are doing, and applies it on each and every shot, there will never be an "atomic" gear. They will be very consistent. The only reason people have different gears is because they aren't being consistent most of the time.

 

[LAMas]

Interesting that you should bring this up.

Begin watching at 26min 55sec.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kL9ena6j6M

What I have noticed with some pro players is they will cue the QB at center and then on the shot stroke hit the QB in an entirely different place.

Same thing when cuing the QB low, their cue is pointed between the table cloth and the bottom edge of the QB. But on the shot stroke they hit the QB at a different, below center QB, location.

This technique has to be taught because there are so many pro's using it.

I ask only because it has always puzzled me why this is.

Do you know why Robin.

Thanks

John

For me, I watched Efren and Busta when they first came to the Hard TImes in LA and noticed that he started at the base of the CB and moved his cue tip up. or to the side - he had to to get the english he needed to get the great shape that he gets.

I and other sweaters called it swiping at the rock. It is a great way to start at the center of the CB to aim at the OB.

Just me,
Be well.