Fear of Feel

Patrick Johnson said:
You seem to have a problem with "smart people".

What on Earth would explain that...?

pj
chgo
Click to expand...

I know you're implying something as you're forced to do in your backhanded ways.

But, problem with smart people? Not at all. Only those smart people like yourself who has to be right on everything in pool or any other subject along with demeaning and belittling all others for their opinions and accomplishments to boost your pitiful mega bloated ego.

Seems like you have a lot of hangers on with the same problem who admire you.

Easy enough to figure out who they are right in this thread...that is unless somebody is LESS than smart or a moron.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Seems like you have a lot of hangers on with the same problem who admire you.
Click to expand...

What can we say? We're captivated!

34373-Clipart-Illustration-Of-An-Infatuated-Cute-Butterfly-Character-With-Green-Eyes-And-Yellow-Wings-Kneeling-And-Pretending-To-Embrace-Someone-With-A-Red-Heart.jpg


Gonna start a club...
 
AtLarge said:
Yeah, sorry, Sam. Normally I try to write in a way that cannot be misunderstood. That's a tougher standard than just writing to be understood. But I guess I flunked in that post of mine that followed-up on yours.

As to the "tidbit" about Spidey's and pj's level of play, I wonder whether either of them feels insulted or complimented.
Click to expand...
I think I have two 40+ ball runs posted, a banking video and colins shot test. My speed is well known. I could care less how anyone in this thread plays.
 
nine_ball6970 said:
I have a feeling that Patrick doesn't care either way but spidey is extremely insulted and will say how much better he is now because of various aiming systems.
Click to expand...
The day I become insulted over a thread is the day I pay attention to what you have to say ;-)
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I know you're implying something as you're forced to do in your backhanded ways.

But, problem with smart people? Not at all. Only those smart people like yourself who has to be right on everything in pool or any other subject along with demeaning and belittling all others for their opinions and accomplishments to boost your pitiful mega bloated ego.

Seems like you have a lot of hangers on with the same problem who admire you.

Easy enough to figure out who they are right in this thread...that is unless somebody is LESS than smart or a moron.
Click to expand...
That's a lotta drama over aiming.

pj
chgo
 
AtLarge said:
The pre-pivot instructions from Spidey that I am talking about are to offset the stick 1/2 tip from CB center with the stick pointing at OB center, then pivot back to CB center. That is different from a parallel shift of 1/2 tip after first aiming center to center. With the former, the pre-pivot alignment is on a line angled slightly to the center-to-center line rather than parallel to it. And the greater the separation between CB and OB, the smaller the angle would be between the pre-pivot alignment line and the line of centers between the balls.

I have not discussed at all Spidey's alternative of aligning center to center and then pivoting slightly to the outside.
Click to expand...
AtLarge,
I had a chance to do some geometry on how aligning to COB, rather than parallel to CCB to COB line affects the angle the CB takes relative to CCB-COB line.

At 1 foot between CB and OB, the divergence is approx 2 degrees. As distance increases, the diversion angle decreases toward the 1.2 degrees mentioned previously, such that, at 8 feet, the divergence line is hard to distinguish between the two methods.

Colin
 
nine_ball6970 said:
I have a feeling that Patrick doesn't care either way but spidey is extremely insulted and will say how much better he is now because of various aiming systems.
Click to expand...
That comment from Mike Page was a while ago, and I had the impression then that Spidey might play a little better than I did - he shoots pretty sporty with his systems. Who knows how we'd do now?

The point here is that it doesn't matter except for ego inflation. We aren't discussing matters of skill, we're discussing matters of fact. As long as we both have enough experience to know what's being discussed, the facts don't care who plays better.

pj
chgo
 
Colin Colenso said:
AtLarge,
I had a chance to do some geometry on how aligning to COB, rather than parallel to CCB to COB line affects the angle the CB takes relative to CCB-COB line.

At 1 foot between CB and OB, the divergence is approx 2 degrees. As distance increases, the diversion angle decreases toward the 1.2 degrees mentioned previously, such that, at 8 feet, the divergence line is hard to distinguish between the two methods.

Colin
Click to expand...

All lines converge at the vanishing point and why aiming at discrete points on the smaller appearing OB helps make things work....with center CB.

Be well.
 
LAMas said:
All lines converge at the vanishing point and why aiming at discrete points on the smaller appearing OB helps make things work....with center CB.

Be well.
Click to expand...
Not sure what you mean about a vanishing point in regard to what I was talking about. This convergence toward 1.2 degrees is simply due to the fact that as the OB gets further away, the lines between 1/2 tip IE to COB gets closer to parallel with 1/2 tip IE on CB to 1/2 tip on OB.

It's easy to do the geometry using vanishing points with perceptively smaller distant object balls, but such claims never present a real mechanism, but they kind of sound like they might have potential to explain system aspects. In other words, they have proven to be specious.

They certainly can't explain why 2 shots with same distance between CB and OB, that differ in angle to pocket by 2 degrees, can be made using the exact same alignment method.
 
The angle (included) from C2C to CTE must be smaller to send the CB to the OB edge or sail past it if the included angle that worked at 12" separation is used on a 48" separation.

img002-002.jpg



Works for me for see it this way...can you?

If not, be well anyways.:smile:
 
Last edited:
LAMas said:
The angle (included) from C2C to CTE must be smaller to send the CB to the OB edge or sail past it if the included angle that worked at 12" separation is used on 48" separation.

Works for me for see it this way...can you?

If not, be well anyways.:smile:
Click to expand...
I though that Focal Plane was on the tail of MH370 :wink:
 
swest said:
ahh.... gotcha. Yes, I was referring to the more general meaning of "sides" in this case, and the numerous people involved.

It's funny how a frame of reference can make all the difference to one's understanding of something. Before, when I read the sentence, "You think they are pretty evenly matched, eh? And, strangely enough, mikepage, who has played pool with both, reported that they are about the same speed in pool, too", I was unable to attach any meaning to it, at all, that I could make sense of. It appeared to me so completely unrelated that I thought that you might even have hit reply in the wrong thread...

Now, after your clarification (above), when I read your response, it makes complete sense.

But, I digress...

Yes, now that I am back on track, that is an interesting tidbit about those two.
Click to expand...

Sam.

As you certainly seem to understand... language & context or lack thereof is so many times the cause of 'disagreement' & hostilities. Yet it, the proper use of language, would also seem to be the only means to resolving such issues.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
Last edited:
The Parallax

LAMas said:
The angle (included) from C2C to CTE must be smaller to send the CB to the OB edge or sail past it if the included angle that worked at 12" separation is used on a 48" separation.

View attachment 377845



Works for me for see it this way...can you?

If not, be well anyways.:smile:
Click to expand...

The Parallax does make things complicated and is something you have to get used to when making a delivery of any kind...I guess you have to have a feel for it. I really good player told me that he had a manipulation with High left or right english that he used to correct the line of the cue ball that had yet to fail him. I think he was aiming thick and squirting to correct.
 
336Robin said:
The Parallax does make things complicated and is something you have to get used to when making a delivery of any kind...I guess you have to have a feel for it. I really good player told me that he had a manipulation with High left or right english that he used to correct the line of the cue ball that had yet to fail him. I think he was aiming thick and squirting to correct.
Click to expand...

Nice post Robin.

The important thing is to align your body, shoulder, elbow and a point on your grip hand on the shot line. Which I'm sure you already know.

Where the parallax comes in is from the standing position behind the QB with the OB.
I'm 6'2" tall (and right eye dominant), when standing behind a shot of some distance I have to align my body, shoulder, elbow and a point on my grip hand on the shot line as my LEFT eye sees it. When I bend down into the shooting position the QB and OB balls become closer. This is where my dominant eye takes over for a precise line on the aim point.

One way you can test this is to (if your right eye dominant) use the approach as stated above. The line of the shot (while in the standing position) will not change no matter if you close your left eye and view it with the right or close the left close and view it with the right eye. This is from the standing position only. Your body is on the shot line.

When you bend down into the shooting position the balls will appear to be closer and your cue will fall close to the dominant eye position.

Whatever you do, from the standing position never take your eye off of the OB until you are in the shooting position, then you can look at the cue ball.

To double check this, line up a shot (while in the standing position) just using your dominant eye. Now close the dominant eye and look at the shot. Is it still straight in, I don't think so.
The eyes only see the same picture when the object viewed is at a distance of approx. 30'. Our eyes are separated by approx. 2-1/4" we have a built in parallax.

I read all of your posts and enjoy them. Thanks. :smile:

John
 
Last edited:
spiderwebcomm said:
i think i have two 40+ ball runs posted, a banking video and colins shot test. My speed is well known. I could care less how anyone in this thread plays.
Click to expand...

14.1? My high is just over 140. I'm blind in one eye and can't see out of the other and still ran 3 racks of 8-ball tonight (almost making 9-ball on break twice but still pocketing 4). Oh, never mind you could care less! JBYB
 
Last edited:
cfrandy said:
14.1? My high is just over 140. I'm blind in one eye and can't see out of the other and still ran 3 racks of 8-ball tonight (almost making 9-ball on break twice but still pocketing 4). Oh, never mind you could care less! JBYB
Click to expand...
Post a video, killer.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top