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Fedor Mosconi cup
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If you go by Fargo, which is a pretty decent predictor of results, no team the USA can put together can match anything from Europe or Asia. We have only a few players at the 800 Fargo level while both Europe and Asia has a dozen. US has 4 800 players and two of them are Mike Dechaine and Bergman (796 now but that is splitting hairs with the 4 points hehe), both not really factors for the Mosconi Cup, so there are two. Europe can put out two full teams using only 800 + Fargo players.
That is why the US victories can happen but are not likely. The two US won in the past decade is just about right if you go by predicted Fargo results actually as to when an upset can happen LOL I think the predicted wins for a player about 30 points difference is 30%, which is about what the US is giving up in the ratings to Europe, so winning 2 of 10 Mosconi Cups is just about correct for the predictions based on Fargo given a small sample.
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It makes more sense to change the name from the Mosconi Cup to the Reyes Cup and have European and Asian teams compete.
Be better for the fans too, which is basically why they have the event. It's purely entertainment.
There was an interesting discussion about this on the Cue it Up podcast recently. The trust of it was, why would Fedor have any interest in joining a USA team that’s a severe underdog at the Mosconi? With him on Team Europe, they basically have it locked up for now and for the immediate future.
Now there are a lot of other reasons Fedor might want to be an American, and I respect that. For USA fans and for the competitiveness of the event, it would be great to have him on our side. But I’m sure he’d rather take the $40k prize than the 20.
Are there other non-Mosconi pool reasons he’s better off as an American? There could be tax advantages I suppose.
Now there are a lot of other reasons Fedor might want to be an American, and I respect that. For USA fans and for the competitiveness of the event, it would be great to have him on our side. But I’m sure he’d rather take the $40k prize than the 20.
Are there other non-Mosconi pool reasons he’s better off as an American? There could be tax advantages I suppose.
i have no doubt he has taken to USA and indiana as his home, or that he really wants to be american, but his feelings can't be the basis for country allegiance. what if he doesn't get US citizenship and has to leave the US next year? it's out of his hands (and matchroom's)
he'd be an idiot not to take the euro pick
If it's for pure winning, of course you would want to be on the stronger team. But Mosconi Cup is about pride of representing a country not personal winning and from what I have seen of Fedor talking about living in the US, he is one of the people that would play as an American even if it's not a lock to win. Plus, with him on the team, the chances of USA winning is nearing 50/50. If someone can get Dechaine to be more of a team player and get a better practice and work ethic similar to SVB, the US would be very competitive with adding him and Fedor.
FREEDOM.....GO USA......
completely agree on your take on his mindset, but the US citizen and immigration services may see it that way. what if he can't even reside in the US?
Gotta find him one of those Indiana farm girls and get hitched...wouldn't that take care of any green card issues
If we're going off the rails with possibilities, Kristina could pop out a kid and she and Fedor would both receive green cards.Gotta find him one of those Indiana farm girls and get hitched...wouldn't that take care of any green card issues
I'm not suggesting anything, just another life-changing, crazy scenario to improve the US' chances for a "W".
In all seriousness, the US will need great performances from Shane, Tyler, and Sky, plus a Styer-esque debut from Woolford.
That, with another player who can get a point or two and it becomes a possibility.
I think him and Tkach are already on the expedited list for a green card
Matchroom could make the argument to Fedor that they could increase the payouts if the US was more competitive.
From there they need a rule that both works to balance the teams and passes the funny looks test. “Players who have lived at least 75% of the past 3 years in a country other than their home country may elect (upon invitation) to represent their host country in international events. For validation, players must demonstrate proof that the host country has been their primary residence, such as proof lease or property ownership documentation, as well as proof that they have paid taxes (e.g. income or property) in their host country for at least 3 consecutive years.”
From there they need a rule that both works to balance the teams and passes the funny looks test. “Players who have lived at least 75% of the past 3 years in a country other than their home country may elect (upon invitation) to represent their host country in international events. For validation, players must demonstrate proof that the host country has been their primary residence, such as proof lease or property ownership documentation, as well as proof that they have paid taxes (e.g. income or property) in their host country for at least 3 consecutive years.”
Matchroom owns the Mosconi Cup and they make the rules. As it stands the players 'represent' either Team Europe or Team USA. Matchroon can do what they want.
Personally, I like Gorst as a player and as a person but I do not feel comfortable with a citizen of a communist country representing the USA.
Personally, I like Gorst as a player and as a person but I do not feel comfortable with a citizen of a communist country representing the USA.
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Excluding someone based on there race...I think their is a word for that...
Not sure where you are going with this, but "Russian" isn't a race, it's a nationality. People have been excluded due to their nationality in professional and amateur events since International competition has been a thing.
I do not agree with this. Anything pool is ALWAYS about the money. These forums have taught me that much. Fedor would have to be an idiot to want to go to a team that has a lesser chance of winning. Why would he chance losing 10k over an unwise decision?
