FEEL IN AIMING

SpiderWebComm said:
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You have more going with the mumbo jumbo mind stuff than anyone I've ever seen in any sport. NONE of that crap should be going on while "in action" competing.
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I agree 100%.

But that mental "mumbo jumbo" is happening all the time with everything we do. Knowing that it's happening and understanding how it happens is not something we should ever think about when doing anything. Understanding it all simply gives us the hows and whys of mind-body functionality.
 
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when there is a cue ball /object ball /and pocket
and the goal is to figure out how to make the object ball go in the pocket
players develop a method or learn a method that acheives that goal.
for cte players dont you first have to decide what type of shot it is and then go thru the procedure that enables you to pocket the ball?
that first decision is feel based on experience
i believe you that once you have determined what perceptions are needed you go thru the motions like good soldiers and i mean this in a positive way.
there is no feel in going thru the procedure as practiced.
but getting up after being down is feel for all aiming systems because something is telling you if you pull the trigger you will miss
you guys can continue to argue for another 25 years or more
but thats my position
have a nice day
i am out to play tennis
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bbb said:
since you quoted my post
how is your training to see A/B/C different than learning where the contact point/fraction/ or ghost ball is.
as for the half ball hit
the edge is easy to see as there is no ball past it that you can see from where you are standing
center is an aquired skill
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"B" is center ball. That is easy to see for any aiming system from where you are standing. Move in one direction or another and "B" or center ball changes and no longer is THE center ball. There's a NEW one (B).

"A" and "C" are halfway between center and edge of the OB.

Contact points and fractions have a center ball but also about 18 other points along the entire visible equator of the OB in both directions.

What do you think is easier to see and visualize?
 
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BC21 said:
I agree 100%.

But that mental "mumbo jumbo" is happening all the time with everything we do. Knowing that it's happening and understanding how it happens is not something we should ever think about when doing anything.
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Yep, agreed.
BC21 said:
Understanding it all simply gives us the hows and whys of mind-body functionality.
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But not necessary. Maybe even avoided. That's why various sports stars in different sports don't want that info even in their brains. Over analyzation. (Or is it spelled ANAL-ization) However, they might have a sports psychologist helping them but in the simplest terms that can be put into action as opposed to the whys or what's.
Kinda like why I NEVER cared about what makes a car run and how to fix it. Let someone else do it for me.
 
bbb said:
since you quoted my post
how is your training to see A/B/C different than learning where the contact point/fraction/ or ghost ball is.
as for the half ball hit
the edge is easy to see as there is no ball past it that you can see from where you are standing
center is an aquired skill
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It’s not. You were the one who said you’ve never seen an a,b,c on the ball. You can also be trained to see center ball. If you are trained to see these things then where does feel come in?
 
cookie man said:
It’s not. You were the one who said you’ve never seen an a,b,c on the ball. You can also be trained to see center ball. If you are trained to see these things then where does feel come in?
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as i said feel comes in deciding how to shoot it and feel comes in knowing its not right when down on the ball
 
bbb said:
as i said feel comes in deciding how to shoot it and feel comes in knowing its not right when down on the ball
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Ok so feel could in fact make me stand back up. But then I go back into the system and line up again without feel before using feel to finally shoot the ball.
 
bbb said:
but getting up after being down is feel for all aiming systems because something is telling you if you pull the trigger you will miss

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But this really means nothing as all I did was get back up because I felt off. Doesn’t mean I used feel to go back down into position.
 
cookie man said:
Ok so feel could in fact make me stand back up. But then I go back into the system and line up again without feel before using feel to finally shoot the ball.
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cookie man said:
But this really means nothing as all I did was get back up because I felt off. Doesn’t mean I used feel to go back down into position.
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but you could feel it was off
so we agree there
as far as no feel to the aiming procedure
using one of spideys definitions
feel, which describes an awareness of something
you are aware its a center to A shot for example (if thats a shot definition)...by his definition thats feel
once you decide that ( the correct shot line /perception)
there is no feel..you follow the steps
its the same or should be the same with all aiming systems
once you decide how you need to line up
you line up no fidgeting during the process.
and then once down you double check
other systems allow for mini adjustments when it doesnt look right from what i have read
but if its really off
you get back up and start again
so we agree
the process of lining up getting down into address of the cue ball is done with no feel
we agree there is feel that causes the shooter to get back up if it doesnt look right or some internal warning
we dont seem to agree that there is feel in deciding what alignment to use
yes?
 
bbb said:
but you could feel it was off
so we agree there
as far as no feel to the aiming procedure
using one of spideys definitions
feel, which describes an awareness of something
you are aware its a center to A shot for example (if thats a shot definition)...by his definition thats feel
once you decide that ( the correct shot line /perception)
there is no feel..you follow the steps
its the same or should be the same with all aiming systems
once you decide how you need to line up
you line up no fidgeting during the process.
and then once down you double check
other systems allow for mini adjustments when it doesnt look right from what i have read
but if its really off
you get back up and start again
so we agree
the process of lining up getting down into address of the cue ball is done with no feel
we agree there is feel that causes the shooter to get back up if it doesnt look right or some internal warning
we dont seem to agree that there is feel in deciding what alignment to use
yes?
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What do you mean by deciding what alignment to use?
 
cookie man said:
What do you mean by deciding what alignment to use?
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we can use the 15 inside as an example
after you got thru the different combinations you decide this is it
how did you decide this is it?
i think it is because it looked right and for the opposite reason you discarded the other choices
once you decided that
there is no more feel until at address
for the nosers
they have to decide what line to use
the line that "looks right" is picked by feel
based on training/experience
once that is done there should be no feel until at address
 
to me tuckers numbers and poolology are the most objective at telling you exactly how the object ball and cue ball have to interact
since you dont have to pick a connection
the answer is given to you
but they are not user friendly as the math in poolology can get complicated and when you use it for ball parks then feel comes in to the picture
and tuckers numbers on the object ball and cue ball are difficult to visualize but he gives you absolute zones for each number
the other systems i am aware of you have to pick the alignment
then go thru the motions
 
Patrick Johnson said:
What's a noser again? Somebody who plays without any conscious system?

pj
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That certainly isn't you since you've stated many times that contact points are what you use or have to search for with a special
contact point Geiger counter implanted in your nose which is directly right above the cue.
 
cookie man said:
Why don't you give a proper description of feel from your perspective? You are the reason we are at this point after all.
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As I and others have said scores if not hundreds of times here, it's "know the final aim line when you see it" from practiced estimation, with or without system instructions to get you close.

Until the next time you pretend not to have heard it...

pj
chgo
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Yep, agreed.

But not necessary. Maybe even avoided. That's why various sports stars in different sports don't want that info even in their brains. Over analyzation. (Or is it spelled ANAL-ization) However, they might have a sports psychologist helping them but in the simplest terms that can be put into action as opposed to the whys or what's.
Kinda like why I NEVER cared about what makes a car run and how to fix it. Let someone else do it for me.
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Good analogy with the car. But knowing what makes the car run is what allows people to actually get it running when there's a problem.

I believe for a lot of people in sports it could be somewhat of a relief to learn that what's going on their head is perfectly normal. Understanding how the mind and body work together with our senses could help the player realize that they might not actually suck - they just have poor focus, or weak emotional intelligence, or too much crap occupying the working area of their brain.
 
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bbb said:
to me tuckers numbers and poolology are the most objective at telling you exactly how the object ball and cue ball have to interact
since you dont have to pick a connection
the answer is given to you
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Joe Tuckers number linking system can be accurate with a lot of practice. Although the numbers ARE on the training balls, imagination still has to be used when playing any game with standard balls. There is a total of 18 numbers plus zero across both balls, each separated by about 3mm. Still a good bit of guesswork involved.
bbb said:
but they are not user friendly as the math in poolology can get complicated and when you use it for ball parks then feel comes in to the picture
and tuckers numbers on the object ball and cue ball are difficult to visualize but he gives you absolute zones for each number
the other systems i am aware of you have to pick the alignment
then go thru the motions
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I spent a good number of hours for 2 days with Joe in person learning his system and used it for a quite a few years. Very good but not in the same category for ease of alignment and results as CTE.
 
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BC21 said:
Good analogy with the car. But knowing what makes the car run is what allows people to actually get it running when there's a problem.
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No, calling AAA or a tow company does it a lot easier. Then if you have two cars, one breaking down doesn't much matter.
BC21 said:
I believe for a lot of people in sports it could be somewhat of a relief to learn that what's going on their head is perfectly normal. Understanding how the mind and body work together with our senses could help the player realize that they might not actually suck - they just have poor focus, or weak emotional intelligence, or too much crap occupying the working area of their brain.
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Or they flat out don't give a rat's ass one way or another because the sport is only a fun activity or meaningless pass time.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
As I and others have said scores if not hundreds of times here, it's "know the final aim line when you see it" from practiced estimation, with or without system instructions to get you close.

Until the next time you pretend not to have heard it...

pj
chgo
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So feel has nothing to do with CTE then. Glad we cleared that up. CTE system instructions get you exact not just close.
 
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