Female players

Pathetic Shark said:
Anyone taking 12 mins 45 secs to finish a rack of pool simply cannot play - nor should they be allowed to.
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I know you're being facetious. I think it's fine to play and be in the tournament. I am not sure it's stream worthy though. There were many mistakes and missed shots. I do enjoy watching the Asian women though, I wish I could have seen Ga Young Kim vs Siming Chen.

That said, Siming is going to roast Ewa. I doubt the match will be more than an hour.
 
poolplayer2093 said:
i think it's because men have more testosterone which tends to make us more competitive and aggressive. there are def women out there that can hang with the big boys though. the thing is giving those women the chance
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The testosterone theory sounds good, and I have played better when my levels are higher, i'm more aggressive-killer instinct. Roid rage is BS(nother topic), but yes i think thats part of it.


Also men seem to do better on tests of spacialzation, and map reading, thats a fact

I'm not knocking the girls at all, they are much better at some things than men, much better.

Its always been my opinion men and women are different , very different and each sex has its strengths and weakness . one isnt superior to the other.

Look at body size, Alex is not a big man yet he can crush the balls-better than me and i'm 2.5X bigger and stronger, but i cant hit the CB as fast or good as he does. the girls(except Jean) seem to roll the balls more, men fire them. I think thats cause men have different type of muscle. there are slow and fast twitch muscle fibers. I believe men have a different ratio and thats why men are stronger(in general) than women. And why men fire the balls more. Could be aggression. Women are more methodical and gental.

I just got a cat a few months back, it ignores me 100% of the time when Kelly is here. Its a very friendly cat, and when she is gone it follows me everywhere around the house. But when she is here forget it, the cat ignores me. Why? she has a neutering trait the cat picks up on. if were are sitting together-kelly and I the cat will come see me for 10-20 seconds and go lay on her lap to sleep. 100% of the time. Kelly leaves for a few days the cat is with me. So its picking up on something, probably same thing I do-Kelly is GREAT!!!

Some girls can play great, some men i know who have played 20 years cant run 5 balls in a row, there are always exceptions. Its a interesting topic in pool for me, always facinated me, i love the fact the girls are playing, i was very happy when they had their TV events working. I hope that there are a lot more "Jean's" that come to play the men, Personally I love to play girls who can play, action or practice. Top girls, why? because when I play them I can see they really try, and concentrate very very good. And If I get beat, i'm not embarassed cause a "Girl" beat me, a better player beat me. and the girls i have beat who are top players-i'm damn proud to have beat them. bring on the girls. i enjoy them in pool.


The girls I dont like in pool are the ones who want to change "pool culture", like in a action room when they say "there is a lady here", I'm respectful, but in a action room-i'm not interested in manners. even worse are the good looking ones who come to show off their goods and are a distraction from pool-intentionally. if a banger brings a hot girl to the pool room thats cool, i'm not talking about that.
 
gentleman789 said:
Just wanted to answer on this although it has nothing to do with the title...

playing aginst better players is the thing that improves your game the MOST by far....you are very wrong with that statement buddy...
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This is ridiculous and always has been. For a hack to play an excellent player-they will learn little more than how to warm a chair. You can't learn this game when you never shoot. Watching tapes etc will do you just as well or better.

Now for a B player to play an A player-it is very helpful to the B player and same for C playing B etc but no means the best way to learn

What if your fundamentals are all wrong and you dont know it which is the case 99% of the time? You think the better player is going to tell you?

I have found this BS to be the standard line of better players who are desperate to steal anything they can from the weaker players.
 
Nostroke said:
This is ridiculous and always has been. For a hack to play an excellent player-they will learn little more than how to warm a chair. You can't learn this game when you never shoot. Watching tapes etc will do you just as well or better.

Now for a B player to play an A player-it is very helpful to the B player and same for C playing B etc but no means the best way to learn

What if your fundamentals are all wrong and you dont know it which is the case 99% of the time? You think the better player is going to tell you?

I have found this BS to be the standard line of better players who are desperate to steal anything they can from the weaker players.
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Couldn't agree more. 95% of players on this forum would improve in 1 department if they were to play a world class player...and that department is sitting in their chair. I've seen it all too often where a very good player has offered to to be a sparing partner with a weaker player with the sole intention of taking money from them, be it by taking cash or splitting the cost of the table time, when they know they're going to get 90% of the table time. Complete and utter BS.

Now, if the better player is willing to tell you where you are going wrong and shed some light on ways you could improve that's how you get better by playing better players. But that's extremely rare, and usually comes at a cost.

I improved the most by working on my fundamentals, hitting a million balls and lots of matchplay, not by warming a seat.
 
I agree and disagree with it. I try to take the opportunity to see what my opponent is doing for their PSR, what position routes they take, and compare their run-out patterns to my own while I sit. But I'm not a beginning player, so I know what I am looking for.

If someone like RAM Shot is playing Earl, he's not going to learn anything.

A female pro could learn from a male pro and vice versa. Some of those women are pretty crafty on the cloth.
 
Ghosst said:
I agree and disagree with it. I try to take the opportunity to see what my opponent is doing for their PSR, what position routes they take, and compare their run-out patterns to my own while I sit. But I'm not a beginning player, so I know what I am looking for.

If someone like RAM Shot is playing Earl, he's not going to learn anything.

A female pro could learn from a male pro and vice versa. Some of those women are pretty crafty on the cloth.
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Couldn't you learn the same thing by watching from a close by chair ?
 
ronscuba said:
Couldn't you learn the same thing by watching from a close by chair ?
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It's the reason I watch matches online, yes. Some people are in it to see who wins, but most of the match this is what I'm paying attention to.
 
Fatboy said:
you should have seen it back before the cloth got fast, brutal. there were a few good girls but not like these days(its better now than ever). no disrespect to them-i cant figure out why the men seem to play better,
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True, technically there is 0 reasons why a woman who puts in the same preactice time as a man should not play 100% as good. The only issue I see at times ( and let's try not to giggle here ) is that with some of them, the breasts get in the way of a stance that may feel comfortable to them. At least I see that happen with some of the lower level players I see in league.
 
Agree...

Ghosst said:
Thanks for my morning laugh gents.

JC, it's very well known that male and female brains simply do not work the same way. The short-short-short version is this:

If you're a creationist think of it in terms of the bible: God made women different.

If you're not a creationist it's just evolution. Men specialized in areas like hunting which requires excellent spatial skills for throwing weapons and capturing prey. Women specialized in caring for family units which required more organizational skills such as communication.

I'm certain you can look the information up.
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Yes, that's basically what I learned studying Social Psychology and Cultural Anthropology. It varies among various cultures, but it's true as a general statement.
 
Nostroke said:
This is ridiculous and always has been. For a hack to play an excellent player-they will learn little more than how to warm a chair. You can't learn this game when you never shoot. Watching tapes etc will do you just as well or better.

Now for a B player to play an A player-it is very helpful to the B player and same for C playing B etc but no means the best way to learn

What if your fundamentals are all wrong and you dont know it which is the case 99% of the time? You think the better player is going to tell you?

I have found this BS to be the standard line of better players who are desperate to steal anything they can from the weaker players.
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You know what you learn playing something who is far better than you? You learn to try as hard as you can! And that's the most important thing...

I'm not talking about fundamentals and stuff...to make it clear I was talking about a player who knows how to run a rack at least playing with a far better or even world class player...

It has nothing to do with stealing money from a weaker player...but I am convinced that playing someone far better for very cheap money is invested ten times better than in any pool lesson....the better the player the better the investment...

Playing someone who is much better than you are absolutely FORCES you to play your best....doing exactly this over a longer period of time is what makes you better...

Of course hitting practice shots, matchplay etc. is important too....but for sparring matches the only thing I find logical if you want to improve your game is to play someone better...

I'd prefer that over anything to improve my game...


To give you a good example:

For many of you Shane is the best player in the world...main reason is because he spends more time than anybody in the world at the pool table...

He was improving consistantly over the years but do you guys know when his game really exploded and he became a world class player over a very short period of time?

When he was in the philippines getting destroyed day in day out for very small money against the local players there (all monsters).

That's how you improve...wisest money you can spend in pool to improve...
 
I love how every time someone mentions women players someone want to mention Allison, Kelly or other top 5 pro.

These nitwits that do that also say that they knew a woman that smoked and lived to be 100.

I'm not, and I think the OP is not saying there are not 10 great players, but there are a HELL of a lot of top men players. Don't give me the exception, give me the rule.

According to CJ the women can be as dominate as men. I say no. I got beat up on forum but that is okay.

I would offer that most shortstops would eat a mile of *poop* to gamble with almost all of them.

But in the world of PC it isn't nice to say so.

Ken
 
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Playing top pros is the best way to learn defense and the meta game of the top levels. Only watching them play might teach you what shots they are playing, but it wont give you a lot of insight on the decision making process that is involved with each shot. Learning to find a good balance between defense and offense depending on your opponent, how you are playing, the score, etc. is paramount to becoming a complete player.

You also learn to handle the pressure of someone that will make you sit for 3 or 4 racks if you make a mistake.

I think the top women are at a high enough level where they can learn these skills and more by playing the top men.
 
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hang-the-9 said:
True, technically there is 0 reasons why a woman who puts in the same preactice time as a man should not play 100% as good. The only issue I see at times ( and let's try not to giggle here ) is that with some of them, the breasts get in the way of a stance that may feel comfortable to them. At least I see that happen with some of the lower level players I see in league.
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i dont buy the "Boob" theory, thats been discussed on the rail for years-there is more to it than that, girls just dont hit the balls like the men do. its all good, they make it work and play very good, just different. I have HUGE man boobs, so perhaps i'll use that excuse next time i ask for weight:eek:
 
Ken_4fun said:
I love how every time someone mentions women players someone want to mention Allison, Kelly or other top 5 pro.

These nitwits that do that also say that they knew a woman that smoked and lived to be 100.

I'm not, and I think the OP is not saying there are not 10 great players, but there are a HELL of a lot of top men players. Don't give me the exception, give me the rule.

According to CJ the women can be as dominate as men. I say no. I got beat up on forum but that is okay.

I would offer that most shortstops would eat a mile of *poop* to gamble with almost all of them.

But in the world of PC it isn't nice to say so.

Ken
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I'm not PC, i say it how it is. and will take the heat. on ALL topics. I talk like a racist and am not a racist, i talk like a sextist and i'm not. I just cant roll with the Al Gore PC shit for anyone. If I get tossed forbeing me, i'd rather go out being me than a sissy fag that I'm not. And I got no problem with gays either.:):)
 
Pidge said:
I don't think the standard is low, or that games take an age to finish in womens billiards. A lot of top women players do practice with a lot of the top guys, but I'm a firm believer that playing "better" players will not improve your game. If you were to play SVB in practice for a month the only thing that you'd get better at is sitting down. Most of the women players out there that are concidered top pros have to work a normal job too, so they can't afford to put in 8+ hours a day practice like the guys do.

Would you be willing to play my 14 year old neice for a few grand at snooker? Tell me the standard of womens billiards is low once she makes an 80 break on you ;)
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Do you not believe that you can learn thru osmosis? Surely you would pick up proper pattern play and percentages no?
 
Ken_4fun said:
I love how every time someone mentions women players someone want to mention Allison, Kelly or other top 5 pro.

These nitwits that do that also say that they knew a woman that smoked and lived to be 100.

I'm not, and I think the OP is not saying there are not 10 great players, but there are a HELL of a lot of top men players. Don't give me the exception, give me the rule.

According to CJ the women can be as dominate as men. I say no. I got beat up on forum but that is okay.

I would offer that most shortstops would eat a mile of *poop* to gamble with almost all of them.

But in the world of PC it isn't nice to say so.

Ken
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I agree. Here's the way I see it. When the day comes that we see as many women as men on skid row and death row, then maybe we'll see women dominating poolroom row as well. Men are the competitors. As I said before, women want to be in the same arena as the men, but not on the same floor. There are some really good female players, but fortunately for them they have their own league to run to when they need to make some sure bucks. I give them credit, but I'm sick of hearing cries such as, "If they are ever given a chance." Women have as many chances in life as men, in some way more. Christ, I'm sick of hearing it.

With Anna Sorrenstrom all we heard from the media was how the guys have the edge hitting the ball farther. Well ok then, let's build a really tough par 3 course where everyone can reach the greens with the same physical effort. By the way, Sorrenstrom can drive the ball farther than a lot of male pros. The reality is, even if the driving the ball were eliminated from the game completely, the men would still beat the women. It just makes me sick to hear the media twist the truth. As you say, it's politically incorrect to say anything that could be seen as negative about women. In cases involving women, I think it goes beyond political and into the realm of sex - to the point where some men all their lives are programmed to side with women in all instances because they think it's the only way to get one. And maybe for them it is.

Tommy Joe
 
For Fatboy, Tommy Joe, and NoStroke--

1. The level of play among the women has improved gigantically in the last twenty years. I think Kelly Fisher was cited yesterday on the Ultimate 10 Ball commentary as saying that first the British snooker players pulled up the level of American women's pool and now the Chinese women are going to pull it up another giant notch. That being said, if someone could bring back the twenty-two-year-old Jean Balukas I think I might have to back her against them all.

2. Women players do seem to hit the ball differently from men. I went to a talk by an anthropologist a week ago on a completely different subject. At one point she needed to mention a really obvious male/female physical difference as an example. She didn't mention breasts or genitalia. She talked about shoulder width compared to the the width of the upper body. Surely that would make a difference in getting down on the ball and stroking.

3. As for playing stronger players, there is no point in a C player playing a pro. Sit and watch him. Contemporary younger players do not, in my opinion, do enough watching of better players. But I think you can learn something if you are a C player by playing a B. I'm not saying that this is the best way to improve, but it is A way. On the other hand, trying to get over being a complete choker a few years ago I went to a sports psychologist. Almost the first thing he told me was not to enter any tournaments I did not expect to win. I think Frank McGowan said that fifty years ago on television when he won a televised tournament against Crane, Balsis, etc. "I don't play in any tournaments I don't expect to win."

4. No need to build that par-3 course. Turn on a women's golf tournament and watch the play of the women pro's around the green-- the pitching, chipping and putting game. The top women pro's are distinctly inferior to the top men pro's in that arena. That at least is the impression of this non-golfing (anymore) observer.
 
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