Have you tried installing a carbon fiber pad? I believe that may resolve the issue
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Far too easy.
Robin Snyder
Ferrule cracking diagnosis
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Far too easy.
Robin Snyder
I've learned a lot from this section, and in particular this thread. I will request a fiber pad be installed at the next ferrule replacement and hope that the easy fix works for me.
I am curious about one answer though... Is it generally frowned upon as abuse to jump with a playing cue? We're talking 30 degree elevation, 1/4 ball max. Not going to change my behavior either way, I'm just curious about the prevailing opinion.
Thanks again for the answers!
I am curious about one answer though... Is it generally frowned upon as abuse to jump with a playing cue? We're talking 30 degree elevation, 1/4 ball max. Not going to change my behavior either way, I'm just curious about the prevailing opinion.
Thanks again for the answers!
I jump with my playing cue. Some may consider it abuse, but I consider it using a pool cue to do what pool cues are supposed to do. I have always said that if you can't break, play, & jump with your playing cue, then you need to look for a new cue. I would never fault somebody for jumping with a cue I made.
Yes it all can move........... but how is it assembled.............. I just don't have those problems...............
Kim
Not nice Dave. Your better than this.
On threaded ferrules tenin threaders do not cut the same as live tooling. I use 3 different sizes just for ferrules. But you also have to look at the ferrule and what size drill is used. There's quite a few guys using 1/4" when they should be using and F drill. If the ferrule material is real hard you may want to use a 17/64". Lots of methods to achieve good results. Jmo
Be carefull now Dave. You are violating forum rules with your attacking remarks. This thread has had a lot people weighing in on an important topic.
BTW, I only give my opinion. I have been a cue maker for 13 years, there is no reason to BS anyone.
Sharing experience and opinions with peers is what ATC is all about. Let's focus on that and try to embrace that culture.
Rick
How is the fit??? is the end touching the shaft square.??.... do you cut 3 glue rings on the tenon??... what glue do you use???... do you put a little white color in the glue???
assembly method is critical ............. or it comes loose, cracks, or falls off
I have fixed many that were cracked..... touch the lathe tool to them and the ferrule falls off........ elmers or wood glue......... it just doesn't work for the long run because ferrules are not wood..... well most of them.... and those that are ........ another bad idea........ Meucci ferrules with the big tenon...... just plain bad idea....... I have fixed lots of them......... crappy chinese ferrules that allow the tip to pop off....... I just change the ferrule...... no more problems............
Kim
did you forget which forum you are on ............. ?????
you can have an opinion but it's how you say it that counts................
a personal attack is not an opinion
Kim
What glue should he have used ?
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Yellow or white glues aren't used on threaded ferrules to create a structural bond. The threads create the structural bond. It's main purpose is to prevent the ferrule from un-threading. For that purpose, the glues work quite well.
Jumping full cue is pretty hard on the ferrule.
Could you give is the following:
- ferrule length
- ferrule material
- tennon diameter
- tennon thread pitch
- ferrule duameter
- capped or uncapped
- brand of tip and condition of tip
I apologize if people think I was being mean or picking on Rick's statement, BUT, I called it the way I saw it ... someone saying that using a tenon threader causes a ferrule to crack is simply not true. I don't even know of any cue manufacturing company that uses a compression threader...they all use live threading if its a threaded ferrule.
I believe if one is to offer advice or opinions on this forum it should be based on more truth, and not fiction and when fiction is put out there it should be challenged, that's all. I have used a tenon threader for about 12-14 yrs and have done about 1000 of them, and have not had one ferrule come back cracked. Has any other cuemaker or repairman seen this to happen?
I personally don't care for the sleeve method as I have seen many tips pop off when the tenon or ferrule changes length as time goes by. Even the threaded sleeves can do this due to the facts stated by others above. I use only threaded capped ferrules on my cues and repairs of most shafts. I feel it is less likely to come back for repair again.
Dave
Depends on the ferrule material.
I don't recommend wood or white glue on Ivor-X or Melamine or nylon ferrules.
Fiber and micarta ferrules seem fine with melamine glue to me so long as they are threaded and machined right .
Why? I use wood glue on my ferrules, always have, and they are generally melamine. While I have certainly had cracked ferrules, I can't say I have ever seen any come off or loosen up. And the cracks weren't caused by the glue. They were the result of very thin tips.
Definitely not Elmer's white glue .
I don't recommend them on ivory either .
Definitely not on nylon ferrules .
Most threaded melamine ferrules out there are the 5/16 18 capped kind with a shoulder at the bottom. I recommend slow-set epoxy on those .
https://www.zoro.com/titebond-glue-...cjnikoaxGc-bhGWSrEHaoaAhKu8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds
I recommend that for anything outside of epoxy.
IMO, epoxy has no place anywhere near a threaded ferrule. I don't recommend anything, but if I were to do so, it would be threaded melamine with Titebond-II wood glue. Is there any particular reason this isn't a good idea?
And that means what?
Bad news. Everyone is correct in doing what they believe in. Nothing more, nothing less. Accept, don't condemn.
What is your reasoning behind that? Do you feel that epoxy is too thick, or is there other reasons?