ferrules

jsaxman said:
Great discussion guys!!!!
Kinda like politics......so many polarized in THEIR method of installing a ferrule,
they do not have the capacity to consider ANY other method.
MY way is the ONLY way!!!!


Sometimes we need to have an open mind.
Be be able to look at the issue from a different perspective.

Like now days the short 1/2" ferrule is very popular?
Why? less squirt?


Nobody has the HOLY GRAIL process of cue building.
quality seasoned wood
knowledge
experience of different methods
perfection (searing)
time
balance
quality connection of parts
ALL help in building a great playing cue!

Now days it is difficult to discuss ANY topic, without bashing each other?


WTF?
It gives us something to talk about?

People love to bash each other. human nature?
it"s entertaining !!!!!!


later
sax
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I haven't seen much evidence of bashing. Is it something you'd like to instigate ?
"Much like politics", yeah, I guess you could say that; kinda like the debates.
Each individual CM has THEIR way of doing things, most are different.
Bringing those various ideas to the forum is for comparison and discussion.
Where did you get the "MY way is the ONLY way!!!!" ?
CMs are pron to take positions. I'll defend my methods until I find a better way.
Then I'll defend that method. Why ? Because the objective is to move forward.
CMs speak a different language than normal people, particularly amongst themselves.
If the discussion becomes a little 'heated', well, that's the nature of the kitchen.

To 'shankster8': Why do you suppose I put the word 'address' in quotes ?
If I wanted to disclose that little secret I would have come right out and told you.
I'm not shy. The spoon stays in the drawer. Now you get to think for yourself.

"Now there's family entertainment" - Sam Kinison. RIP bro.
 
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So much valuable information to be learned here.

I was wondering if the actual color of the ferrule has any impact on the performance. In-other-words, would a white ferrule play better than a tan or black ferrule of the same product? I mean, there are different chemical make-ups of various colors so I would imagine that if said ferrule had a different color it would also have a different playability factor. This is really food for thought because if we could figure out what color plays best to any given ferrule, then we'd actually have the ultimate ferrule.

Yes, I had some spare time this hour. LOL
 
Quote KJ Cues: To 'shankster8': Why do you suppose I put the word 'address' in quotes ?
If I wanted to disclose that little secret I would have come right out and told you.
I'm not shy. The spoon stays in the drawer. Now you get to think for yourself.

Never thought scuffing the inside of a ferrule would be top secret info. Here's one that's not top secret: A spinning gun cleaning brush works well, without removing significant material.
 
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Happy Friday
 
I like to thread all my components, IMO it makes for a more solid cue. But seeing as though it is so subjective, you can't argue that threading is a good idea for no other reason than it makes assembly of the cue so much easier. No clamps, and your joints are always nice and tight with no glue lines. I hate having to clamp a ferrule or a cap on until the epoxy dries. When you thread everything you can assemble on the bench, no need to tie up machines to use as clamps or build extra fixtures.
 
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shankster8 said:
Quote KJ Cues: To 'shankster8': Why do you suppose I put the word 'address' in quotes ?
If I wanted to disclose that little secret I would have come right out and told you.
I'm not shy. The spoon stays in the drawer. Now you get to think for yourself.

Never thought scuffing the inside of a ferrule would be top secret info. Here's one that's not top secret: A spinning gun cleaning brush works well, without removing significant material.
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There you go. I knew you would come up with something on your own if you put in the effort.
I haven't tried a spinning brush. My first thoughts are that it's not aggressive enough.
My particular method is very consistent and achieves the desired result.
I've even posted it here on the forum if anyone cares to look it up. A secret in plain sight.
I won't be doing that again. Lol
 
What currently available ferrule material has the most similar characteristics, specifically hit, to the original GE Micarta? Thx
 
KJ Cues said:
There you go. I knew you would come up with something on your own if you put in the effort.
I haven't tried a spinning brush. My first thoughts are that it's not aggressive enough.
My particular method is very consistent and achieves the desired result.
I've even posted it here on the forum if anyone cares to look it up. A secret in plain sight.
I won't be doing that again. Lol
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Nobody uses the caliper. If it says 3/8, it must be .375.
 
I believe Bob Runde referred to the material I am inquiring about as "GE Micarta". I think JoeyInCali confirmed this in another post, if I am incorrect please advise. If i recall i think Micarta may be a brand name of the material made by Westinghouse, so I understand that GE would of called it by another name.
 
Shooter08 said:
I believe Bob Runde referred to the material I am inquiring about as "GE Micarta". I think JoeyInCali confirmed this in another post, if I am incorrect please advise. If i recall i think Micarta may be a brand name of the material made by Westinghouse, so I understand that GE would of called it by another name.
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We'll just call it GE plastic then. :D
What's funny is micarta to some is just phenolic or epoxy with cloth or paper . Like to knife makers.
NORPLEX owns the Micarta trademark now.
https://tmdb.eu/trademark/012887899/eu/norplex-micarta
 
shankster8 said:
KJ, how do you "address" the internal diameter of a ferrule?
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Here is a little gem.. if you keep your tenons nominal sizes for example 5/16" or 3/8" and you make your hole inside your ferrule on size you can run a tap through the hole. A tap is always a few thou bigger than the nominal diameter of the thread. It will make a nice glue groove a few thou deep. No special grooving tools and only takes a second.;)
 
Canadian cue said:
Here is a little gem.. if you keep your tenons nominal sizes for example 5/16" or 3/8" and you make your hole inside your ferrule on size you can run a tap through the hole. A tap is always a few thou bigger than the nominal diameter of the thread. It will make a nice glue groove a few thou deep. No special grooving tools and only takes a second.;)
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Thanks for your excellent, generous post. It demonstrates to newcomers that sometimes this forum can be about sharing, not showing off or being a dick.

"Nyaa, nyaa, look how smart I am! No one knows as much about cues as me!"

None of that energy from THIS guy. Very refreshing.

Robin Snyder
 
Shooter08 said:
I believe Bob Runde referred to the material I am inquiring about as "GE Micarta". I think JoeyInCali confirmed this in another post, if I am incorrect please advise. If i recall i think Micarta may be a brand name of the material made by Westinghouse, so I understand that GE would of called it by another name.
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PM sent to you.

Dale
 
With some plastics, the score line from a tap does just that and becomes the stress raiser for the initial point of failure. Certainly what I have seen with some threaded ferrule failures. But either way, ferrules are in most part ment to be replaced any way.
Neil
 
shankster8 said:
I'm nobody, but I gotta say: Look in the mirror, bro!
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If you have been around long enough, you should see that I do it on purpose, and only with individuals who themselves are like that. I'm actually a non-confrontational, happy, go-lucky kinda guy. I just don't budge when provoked. In fact maybe to a fault, I push back.
 
RADAR said:
Guys why is it sw cues play so well to many, yet have long ferules as compared to many other makers who use short ferules? say sw deflection more due to this fact or not because in despite pro shaft tapper? How are they thru,capped,glued threaded? interesting?
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A lot has to do with the material. They use(d) the same Spaulding melamine I referenced earlier, as did a lot of the older makers. I'm unsure if they still have some or not, but probably they do. My ferrules went to 1/2" because I had to change the material.

As for SW cues playing so well, it's got a lot more to do with just the ferrule.
 
KJ Cues said:
"Each individual CM has THEIR way of doing things, most are different.
Bringing those various ideas to the forum is for comparison and discussion."

"CMs are pron to take positions. I'll defend my methods until I find a better way.
Then I'll defend that method. Why ? Because the objective is to move forward."
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This is how real progress is made.

Robin Snyder
 
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