Filler back to the carbon shaft
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Sales are probably down,
tomatoshooter
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I can understand Predator's desire to market the more expensive, and presumably more profitable, Revo, but I would think that having one of the tip top players on your team would be more valuable.
I would assume that the Z shaft is more flexible than the 314, and the Revo I tried was much stiffer, although it was definitely a larger diameter.
Srsly though, if Bob and Pat Science Show is correct, he or anyone might be able to get away with some weight up front. Any material...
No seeded player would draw Filler in the first round. The possibility for this was because Alex wasn't one of the 64 seeded players.
They based seeding I believe on the 9-Ball sub rankings. Those are going to be slow to converge because they exclude many of the top events and there aren't all that many events to begin with.
Players who were unseeded but nevertheless were amongst the top 64 entrants by skill (rating) include
Alex Pagulayan
Mohammed Soufi
Hoang Quoc Duong
Gerson Martinez
Johann Chua
Marco Teutcher
Nick van den Berg
Sebastion Batkowski
Daniel Guttenberger
Despite having to face a seeded opponent first round, I think all but one of these players advanced to the 64-player elimination round.
Not entirely sure what you mean, but I'll agree...?...lol
Wise agree kind sir.
Simply meant you can add mass till it shoots as crooked as wood.Z is conical so its just as stiff overall but the light front end is what reduces cb squirt. I had one for a while and didn't like the size or the taper but it was stiff enough. I don't think the reason JF has lost a few matches is equipment related.
Ah gothca...Wise agree kind sir.
It's funny what will throw off players. It is a certainty that given enough time, Filler could be +800 with a broom handle. However getting over the subtle differences can be mountainous. Speaking for myself, I could not overcome a mere 0.25mm difference between my Z2 and the wx900. They for the 'most' part played the same, but the shaft never felt right. I ended up getting it turned down to that Z2 dimension and it now fits like an old glove.
I have zero doubt Filler will be fine using CF. It may never 'feel' right though.
Hard to know really. It did appear to be the longer shots that were hit with some "extra" spin, that were the problem for him. That plays nicely to difficulties found while adjusting to a different amount of squirt that a new shaft produces. That said, the shots I saw, he missed by a decent margin, and I mean we're talking Filler here so the adjustments should have only taken him a shot or two to figure out.
The only reason I think the CF may have played into it was his "no comment" remark. Ether he was disinterested in speaking at that moment, or he was frustrated with the change and didn't want to speak ill.
At the very least, this speculation is more entertaining to talk about then what tip will make the newest AZB banger into a champion.
Woodshaft
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As I've said numerous times before, Filler with his Z3 is the best player on the planet overall, although Gorst and FSR are getting better still.
Filler was born with a wood shaft in his hand, he's used to the "feel" of the wood hit. The pivot point and hit are different on the Revo, he's definitely struggling with it.
He's in a tuff spot. Predator makes way more profit off Revos than their wood shafts, and, with the recent surge of Gorst with his Cuetec Cynergy, Predator is forcing Filler to use the Revo, the same way they did to Albin Ouschan (who was used to the 314-3). It took a few years for Albin to get used to it, but he eventually did.
We'll see how it pans out, but right now Filler isn't his usual confident, god-like looking self with the Revo.
It's all about the money for Predator though, understandably.
Filler was born with a wood shaft in his hand, he's used to the "feel" of the wood hit. The pivot point and hit are different on the Revo, he's definitely struggling with it.
He's in a tuff spot. Predator makes way more profit off Revos than their wood shafts, and, with the recent surge of Gorst with his Cuetec Cynergy, Predator is forcing Filler to use the Revo, the same way they did to Albin Ouschan (who was used to the 314-3). It took a few years for Albin to get used to it, but he eventually did.
We'll see how it pans out, but right now Filler isn't his usual confident, god-like looking self with the Revo.
It's all about the money for Predator though, understandably.
tomatoshooter
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How much is predator paying him? Half the top 10 players might not even get more than 1 or 2 really good years, that's a huge hole in his career.
i agree. long difficult shots is filler's bread and butter. just like jayson. it's their edge. gorst and albin will play pinpoint position instead. if filler can't get to where he were when he was playing with the z-shaft then he's in trouble.
btw, i don't see mezz forcing their players..
Well Pia wasn't there. Maybe he just missed his morning pump me up.
im sure he can adjust but I’m surprised they would force him to change when they still sell the Z. You would think they would like to say hey, all of our shafts are awesome!
Not everyone is going to end up buying a CF shaft.
Not everyone is going to end up buying a CF shaft.
They have much more invested in R&D on the REVO than the other shafts. It is possible the competition is gaining market share which could have led to Predator strongly requesting their top sponsored players use a REVO.
Agreed on the R&D…. curious whether results or product placement is more important to predator and the people buying their products.
like if Fillers game falls off (which I don’t think it will), does he switch to a company like mezz who someone else stated is pretty freely letting their players choose what fits them?
Sales are what's important to Predator. They are a sales and marketing organization that happens to be in the pool business.