Filler withdrawn from Reyes cup
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Theye aren't employees as per technical definition, and they align closer to employee than employer.You're wrong on so many levels. None of the pros are "employees." None of them get benefits of health and life insurance, sick leave, vacation pay, and retirement. They pay their own taxes, with no help from anyone but themselves. They are independent contractors. Sad but true.
It is a damn shame, his earning window could be very small and MR does seem to be reneging on its means of selection- points.
Bully move by MR, imo. He who has the gold makes the rules.
He might get backing and advice from Predator and his federation.He doesn't have the €¥$¢ or £ to take a company like MR to court... And MR know it
Don't be surprised if he plays heyball too like Chang and Alex. He is the best rotation player so he will survive.
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I find it...amusing...that so many folks have lamented the lack of money in pool, and the lack of a regular tour in pool. I've been seeing that since I joined AZB over 15 years ago.
So Matchroom does just that. Puts A LOT of money in pro pool that wasn't there just a few years ago. A real tour. And now folks get mad at them for protecting their investment in pro pool. And make no mistake, they have a BIG investment in pro pool.
Are they perfect, no. Have they made some less-than-delicate pronouncements, yes. Do they come off as heavy handed at times, yup. But surely people can understand why they might not be interested in giving way to WPA on some stuff, when it conflicts with their own events and tour, and the folks representing them.
No, I don't have a good answer to any of this.
So Matchroom does just that. Puts A LOT of money in pro pool that wasn't there just a few years ago. A real tour. And now folks get mad at them for protecting their investment in pro pool. And make no mistake, they have a BIG investment in pro pool.
Are they perfect, no. Have they made some less-than-delicate pronouncements, yes. Do they come off as heavy handed at times, yup. But surely people can understand why they might not be interested in giving way to WPA on some stuff, when it conflicts with their own events and tour, and the folks representing them.
No, I don't have a good answer to any of this.
Scrunge19
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Could the statement Matchroom released be any more vague on what “has been withdrawn” means or on any of the other relevant details? And if that isn’t bad enough, they ended up revising that initial statement to contain even fewer details than originally published.
Seems like a pretty Mickey Mouse way of releasing a statement for an organization that likes to constantly remind us about how great and experienced they are.
Seems like a pretty Mickey Mouse way of releasing a statement for an organization that likes to constantly remind us about how great and experienced they are.
Pro Pool Players are not employees just like Pro Golfers are not employees of the PGA. They play on the PGA tour but are not employed by the PGA. Singles sport athletes/players only get paid when they finish high enough in tournaments to cash and whatever endorsement deals they get. Its not like a team sport like football where you get a contract and get paid no matter if the team wins or not. For this reason, it makes sense for the single player to play in as many events as they can/ choose to. If you made a couple big scores and can "coast" the rest of the year, then they don't have to play everything if they don't want to. But if you haven't had that, then you need to play in as many events as possible to keep the dream alive of using pool as your main source of income.
As a player, I won't fault a player trying to make money. It's what we all are trying to do. But with pool getting bigger, people have to be more cognizant of what they say and do because there are more eyes on it now, especially with social media. Pool players at that level won't be able to "get away with things" as much as they had in the past now that more eyes are on the sport.
As a player, I won't fault a player trying to make money. It's what we all are trying to do. But with pool getting bigger, people have to be more cognizant of what they say and do because there are more eyes on it now, especially with social media. Pool players at that level won't be able to "get away with things" as much as they had in the past now that more eyes are on the sport.
Badpenguin
Well-known member
What you are describing is "fans", and what they are doing is indicating their distaste for something they don't like. Without the fans, there is no professional pool, or tournaments for professionals to go to, or broadcast license agreements, or streaming revenue. Like it or not, the fans are what enable these players to succeed or not. Alienate them at your own peril.
Many of the so-called "fans" are cyberbullying Joshua Filler. What I see happening is the tearing down of a young pro player on social media with vicious and cruel words. This is "cyberbullying." In fact, some of them seem to be having a good time while ripping Joshua Filler apart. Unlike other sports, pool is a small culture.
Badpenguin
Well-known member
I have seen no threats or targeting of him, but I don't frequent the cesspools known as social media, so I could be missing things. If that is the case, that is uncalled for. All I am seeing is defined here: public figure
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It’s worth reminding that the WNT Pros all announced they were “On Tour” when they signed their player agreements. I never saw a player agreement personally. Some information was made known through social media and perhaps inside info from sources like this:
absolute-pool.com
But I have to imagine Matchroom covered their bases with regards to player expectations for attending their major events (like the Hanoi Open), how ranking points are managed, and their own discretion toward invites to their invitational events. It’s their circus, it’s their monkeys.
We do know the agreements provided flexibility to play non-WNT events except when they conflict with a major open. We know that the agreements and announcements were meant to show these players are willing to be banned to be part of this tour. No doubt there was ample opportunity to play both sides as long as feasible. But the agreements also were an act of picking the Matchroom side. So a player can only wander so far from the herd before there are consequences that I’m sure are contractually reinforced. This really comes off to me as a slap on the wrist at most.
We will likely forget all about it when we find out what the final move is from the WPA/ACBS for all those participating in the Hanoi Open. This has to be the calm before the storm.
What we currently know regarding World Nineball Tour contracts and what it means for players
The top 128 players on the world nineball rankings have been offered a professional contract (Photo: Taka Wu/Matchroom)
absolute-pool.com
But I have to imagine Matchroom covered their bases with regards to player expectations for attending their major events (like the Hanoi Open), how ranking points are managed, and their own discretion toward invites to their invitational events. It’s their circus, it’s their monkeys.
We do know the agreements provided flexibility to play non-WNT events except when they conflict with a major open. We know that the agreements and announcements were meant to show these players are willing to be banned to be part of this tour. No doubt there was ample opportunity to play both sides as long as feasible. But the agreements also were an act of picking the Matchroom side. So a player can only wander so far from the herd before there are consequences that I’m sure are contractually reinforced. This really comes off to me as a slap on the wrist at most.
We will likely forget all about it when we find out what the final move is from the WPA/ACBS for all those participating in the Hanoi Open. This has to be the calm before the storm.
the public is just that public.
and the large amount of them mean when it has an opinion favoring one direction that direction is the valid one.
whether you happen to agree with the majority or not.
the internet brings out all kinds but those all kinds make up the general population.
if you want fair let everyone have their fair say like what it is or not.
and the large amount of them mean when it has an opinion favoring one direction that direction is the valid one.
whether you happen to agree with the majority or not.
the internet brings out all kinds but those all kinds make up the general population.
if you want fair let everyone have their fair say like what it is or not.
"Crapping out" is your term. I disagree. But, of course, everyone is entitled to share their thoughts.
Atorontopoolplayer
Active member
Not much sympathy for filler here, from initial unedited release it looks like the team/ players didn't want him there anymore, and I do not blame them after he flip flopped.
With it being a match room invitational event as opposed to an open event I'd think they are well within their rights to remove him.
Hopefully this stuff all gets sorted soon so the best players can all just be competing against each other.
With it being a match room invitational event as opposed to an open event I'd think they are well within their rights to remove him.
Hopefully this stuff all gets sorted soon so the best players can all just be competing against each other.