This has come up in the past and no one had access as you would expect. Co's tend to keep the details of contracts close to the vest. I'd imagine that most of it is just generic contract talk with certain specific go/no go clauses. Don't expect to lay eyes on one anytime soon. BarryHearn&Co. have been at this a WHILE. Here's a PA for the SVB junior event. https://matchroompool.com/wp-content/uploads/Final-SVB-Junior-Open-Contract.pdf I'd bet that one for the touring pros is similar but with a much higher degree of $$ details.
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I also find it impossible that with 128 WNT pros, there has not been a leaked player's contract. I'd bet my house and your house its out there somewhere.
Not sure this is entirely true.
Kaci did not go to the US Open. His reason was rehab and getting better from his injury.
Does MR grant some health-related exceptions? I do not know.
Just speculating, but I'm sure MR has some legalese equivalent in their contract of "Don't be a putz." and "MR reserves all rights to ... yadda yadda".
Given all the negative heat Josh has drawn, it's probably best for their image (and for his) to put him in timeout until things cool.
From a business sense it would also serve as a strong example, with Matchroom letting the players clearly know that they have an image to uphold, of which the players also have a responsibility, and even the best players in the world are not immune to consequences if their behaviors put that image at risk.
Given all the negative heat Josh has drawn, it's probably best for their image (and for his) to put him in timeout until things cool.
From a business sense it would also serve as a strong example, with Matchroom letting the players clearly know that they have an image to uphold, of which the players also have a responsibility, and even the best players in the world are not immune to consequences if their behaviors put that image at risk.
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The ACBS has obviously been the tail wagging the WPA dog.
Apparently ACBS and/or WPA are fine with the Peri Open, and "sanctioned" it without the promoter even knowing anything about it. Why didn't they do the same thing with the MR event? Is the ACBS explicitly against MR only? In both cases, a promoter put on a tournament in Vietnam without "seeking" approval from ACBS and/or WPA.
The ACBS has obviously been the tail wagging the WPA dog.
Apparently ACBS and/or WPA are fine with the Peri Open, and "sanctioned" it without the promoter even knowing anything about it. Why didn't they do the same thing with the MR event? Is the ACBS explicitly against MR only? In both cases, a promoter put on a tournament in Vietnam without "seeking" approval from ACBS and/or WPA.
And if he learns to keep lip tight then fair enough. IMO I believe a young person can be taught this without spanking them in public!
ps, off topic:
I don't like how the word "sanction" has two completely opposite meanings, and both are used in the same context of sports. One is to sanction a tournament (bless it). One is to sanction a player (punish him).
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I don't like how the word "sanction" has two completely opposite meanings, and both are used in the same context of sports. One is to sanction a tournament (bless it). One is to sanction a player (punish him).
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Another ps off topic:
I wonder if we now have more threads and/or posts on MR/WPA drama than aiming threads? Probably not in aggregate over the last 20 years, but maybe over the past 3 years we do.
I wonder if we now have more threads and/or posts on MR/WPA drama than aiming threads? Probably not in aggregate over the last 20 years, but maybe over the past 3 years we do.
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I'm wondering how many folks would change their tune dramatically if they were able to consider the perspective of these Asian pool players and fans, particularly the Vietnamese, who got completely screwed by ACBS/WPA for no good reason. Who exactly in the ACBS was pushing for this ban? The Chinese? The Qatari leadership of the ACBS? I think the Vietnamese probably know more than random Americans in a poolfan forum know, and disinviting Filler was probably the obvious choice. Words matter, and actions matter even more.
And you can't tell me that these Cups are not invitationals that are completely controlled by Matchroom. Either that or Jeremy Jones really thought that Earl Strickland was a greate idea to invite to the Mosconi cup. Nobody in their right mind could have believed that.
And you can't tell me that these Cups are not invitationals that are completely controlled by Matchroom. Either that or Jeremy Jones really thought that Earl Strickland was a greate idea to invite to the Mosconi cup. Nobody in their right mind could have believed that.
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It obviously has the English equivalent of an NDA in it.
Seems this whole dispute has intensified/come to a head over Vietnam.
Both WNT and WPA saw the potential in Vietnam. WNT capitalized first since MR is more nimble. The non-sanctioning of the Hanoi Open started its inaugural year. No coincidence, of course.
This year the WPA upped the ante with the Ho Chi Minh Open scheduled a week ahead.
Interestingly, all three events could in theory have coincided. The Ho Chi Minh was from Sept 25-Sept 29. The Peri-Peri from Oct. 1-Oct. 4 and the Hanoi Open from Oct 8 to Oct 13.
Oversaturation? Probably. Neigher side wants to see its product diluted.
A compromise would be the Peri Peri gets dropped, MR gets the Hanoi and WPA gets the HCM tourney a week before or after.
Don't see this fight ending soon, though.
Both WNT and WPA saw the potential in Vietnam. WNT capitalized first since MR is more nimble. The non-sanctioning of the Hanoi Open started its inaugural year. No coincidence, of course.
This year the WPA upped the ante with the Ho Chi Minh Open scheduled a week ahead.
Interestingly, all three events could in theory have coincided. The Ho Chi Minh was from Sept 25-Sept 29. The Peri-Peri from Oct. 1-Oct. 4 and the Hanoi Open from Oct 8 to Oct 13.
Oversaturation? Probably. Neigher side wants to see its product diluted.
A compromise would be the Peri Peri gets dropped, MR gets the Hanoi and WPA gets the HCM tourney a week before or after.
Don't see this fight ending soon, though.
This is true of all al-star events in pro leagues. The fans or league officials select the starters or some such. Then the league commissioner or all-star game manager or GMs get to pick the rest of the team. These picks are usually very subjective.
The MR format is arguably more "fair" to the extent that any all-star game selection process can be. The top three players make it on merit. Then there's a few wild cards.
Then again, I don't like the MR ranking system being based exclusively on money rankings.
He's no kid anymore, he's a full-fledged pro who needs to stand by his word. This isn't juvenile playground shit.
I personally think if Filler never opened his mouth, but did the same actions (skipping the Hanoi Open 2 years in a row), MR would have still removed him from the Reyes Cup.
Edit and I think he skipped some other MR majors. I can’t remember for sure though.
Edit and I think he skipped some other MR majors. I can’t remember for sure though.
Now you're just in the realm of pure fantasy/guesswork. Like 'ol Josh its probably better for all of us just to 'go dark'. We don't know the specifics, he's not on RC team and that's that. It will still be great pool.
As far as I'm concerned, the World Pool Masters, World Cup of Pool, Premiere League Pool, Mosconi Cup, and Reyes Cup are absolutely exhibitions / invitational events. Matchroom might have a merit-based selection process in effect but they fully reserve the right revoke an invitation.
Molina Mike shared a take that I hadn't heard said before and it really goes beyond the typical politics and PR backlash takes I've seen. When you get an invitation to something as prestigious as the Mosconi Cup or the Reyes Cup, you sign up to be part of a production machine. There's a lot that goes on in the promotion of the event beyond just showing up the day of with a stick and playing. There's an expectation you'll show up for the photo shoots, interviews, press conferences, and the majors leading up to the event. If it's not an explicit contractual obligation, it's certainly a cause for the promoter to consider swapping you out for someone that will participate in the build up.
That concept certainly resonates with what you might expect from other sports. Even think of what Albin said in terms of being an "Ambassador" and "Co Promoter" of Predator and Predator Events, he has obligations to fulfill.
Molina Mike shared a take that I hadn't heard said before and it really goes beyond the typical politics and PR backlash takes I've seen. When you get an invitation to something as prestigious as the Mosconi Cup or the Reyes Cup, you sign up to be part of a production machine. There's a lot that goes on in the promotion of the event beyond just showing up the day of with a stick and playing. There's an expectation you'll show up for the photo shoots, interviews, press conferences, and the majors leading up to the event. If it's not an explicit contractual obligation, it's certainly a cause for the promoter to consider swapping you out for someone that will participate in the build up.
That concept certainly resonates with what you might expect from other sports. Even think of what Albin said in terms of being an "Ambassador" and "Co Promoter" of Predator and Predator Events, he has obligations to fulfill.
PGA Tour does the same thing. You are obligated for a certain amount of press/handshake/ass-kiss time. Are also morals/actions clauses that land you in the shitter if you stray too far. Part of being on tour.
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Thanks for sharing!
lots of players skipping events in snooker.. especially the bigger than life guys. ronnie skipped an entire year and went to work as a farmhand for the fun of it, then won the WC.
but if you don't attend you don't win ranking points so you'll soon be off the tour either way