?? Fix to save 9- Ball ?? Attn: Tournament Directors

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I like your thinking. I'm not so sure I love the idea. I guess I have to think about it more.

I've wondered what spotting all balls made on the break would do to the game. That would probably make it too slow, but it would make it more interesting and you wouldn't see guys running out entire sets. At least not very often.

Racking with the 9 on the spot seems to slow the top players down a bit.


For me though, all the talk about 9 ball or whatever game being broken is really just putting the cart before the house. The real problem isn't necessarily the specific rules the pros are playing by but the way the game is showcased. I don't think the Mosconi Cup has become successful because of the specific nine ball rules they are using. For that matter, I think they could be playing 10 ball or possibly even 8 ball and because it is produced so well -- people would watch it.

Since pool has been in the dumps for so long we all start pointing to the rules as the problem. I don't think the rules are really the problem. But like always, I could be wrong.
 
...For me though, all the talk about 9 ball or whatever game being broken is really just putting the cart before the house. The real problem isn't necessarily the specific rules the pros are playing by but the way the game is showcased. I don't think the Mosconi Cup has become successful because of the specific nine ball rules they are using. For that matter, I think they could be playing... 10 ball or possibly even 8 ball and because it is produced so well -- people would watch it.

Mosconi Cup 8-ball !!! Now that I would like to see.

Fatz
 
There is nothing wrong with the game of 9-ball no matter how many posters on here say there is.

Leave the game alone. Quit trying to make the game harder, if anything make the game easier.

When ten packs become common, then there will be a need to change the rules. I do not see that happening any time in the future.
 
If there's a problem, it's that television executives prefer 9-ball because it's fast and perceived as more exciting. (Shows how little they know: what could be more exciting than One-Pocket?)

But, yes, 9-ball is too easy. As much as I enjoy the Mosconi Cup, races to 5 are a joke.

Answer: play 10-ball. Short races are still a necessary evil, but there will be fewer runouts and more excitement over "who will win?"
 
The game aint broke..., well?

Its the MONEY not the rules!!!! If players could go to a $75K added event every month and make a living if they finish in the top 15 at the end of the year, no one would care what the rules were...,

but when you put you everything in and get beat 2 and out or get in the money only to walk away with $600 bucks, now that's sad.

$600 is cool for the none pro, but the big boys need a good pay day, then the game will fix itself.

I like your idea, anyone whos trying to move the game forward should been given his kudo's!
 
Tournament 9 – Ball has been on a slow decline since Corey Deuel’s 11 – 0 win at the 2001 US Open. Most of the premier rotation events these days are now 10 – Ball. Challenge matches (TAR, etc) and even “green room” gambling matchups are now primarily 10 – Ball.

The reason for this is that the game of 9 – Ball has become too easy for top shelf shortstops and pros. The monster and/or soft break, consistent making of a ball on the break (one in the side and corner ball in the bottom corner pocket), pattern racking, racking secrets and near perfect play are all contributing factors.

What can save the game of 9 – Ball????

I propose the following (could be used for 10 – Ball as well):

• Alternate break EXCEPT if breaker parks the CB in “the landing zone” (see diagram below………egg shaped circle), makes a ball on the break and then runs out, he/she maintains the table and gets to break again the next game. If breaker makes a ball on the break but does not land the CB in the “landing zone” or breaks dry the very next shot is 2-shot push out rules UNTIL the first ball is made………….like Buddy Hall once said, make them "wrestle" for the first ball. After the first ball is made then its Texas Express rules until the game is over. Note: The breaker must "park" the CB in the landing zone, hitting a rail first would not count.

• Break from the Break Box.

• Do studies on where it is most difficult to make a ball from and rack the nineball on this spot…….somewhere between the spot and the traditional racking area. Use the Magic Rack or Sardo Tight Rack.......no manual racking. Three balls must pass the head string.

These rules would force the breaker to break hard with maximum attention on controlling the CB, making a ball, and running out to maintain the table……..only way to string racks together.

The 2-shot push out rule on the first ball (except for above “landing zone” rule) would, at least a bit, force a strategic battle for the first shot, something that 9 - Ball has been missing and dearly needs IMHO. It would prolong the match a bit perhaps but it would favor the better player and longer races would not be needed as much…….say race to 9 vs. 11.

The tournament or tour sponsor could have the cloth provider put their logo in the landing zone area. I think Camel did this when they were the sponsor of the PBT……..or ESPN, TOC????

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Am I crazy? Please discuss. Thx.


Duke (“Ty”) Laha

if you wanna fix 9 ball make everyone break up the middle....
 
Don't like the landing zone. Feels gimmicky, and there's more than one way to skin a break.

Not gonna be a popular concept but I'd love to see 9b with no restrictions and alternating break. they took a "too easy for pros" game like eight ball, and made it very exciting with an alternate break format in the us open 8b.

The idea is, it's so easy, you should never fail to make a ball and never fail to run out. Not getting out is a critical mistake.

So, let two pros alternate with magic rack, standard diamond, break from anywhere, soft break and pattern rack ok. First guy to screw up and drop the ball may fall two games behind and lose the set. Let's see those ten packs.


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Ten ball is as broken as 9-ball, although in my opinion, neither is broken.

Rack the nine on the spot, as was done in the World Cup of Pool and nobody dominates with the break, everybody gets to play, and there's lots of excitement. Here's what Jay Helfert had to say at the end of the World Cup of Pool:

It was a great tournament! Matchroom's got it right. Racking the nine on the spot works. You must run out and every rack is vitally important. One mistake can be costly. 9-Ball works in this format.

Special congratulations to Team Philippines and also to Team Holland, who had to beat some damn good teams to get to the finals. Team Philippines had an amazing match with Team Taiwan in the semis, two heavyweights punching it out. It was great TV! It would even play in the USA if any channel would show it. Pool does work on TV, contrary to what some people think. It's a great TV sport.

Ditto!
 
Tournament 9 – Ball has been on a slow decline since Corey Deuel’s 11 – 0 win at the 2001 US Open. Most of the premier rotation events these days are now 10 – Ball. Challenge matches (TAR, etc) and even “green room” gambling matchups are now primarily 10 – Ball.

The reason for this is that the game of 9 – Ball has become too easy for top shelf shortstops and pros. The monster and/or soft break, consistent making of a ball on the break (one in the side and corner ball in the bottom corner pocket), pattern racking, racking secrets and near perfect play are all contributing factors.

What can save the game of 9 – Ball????

I propose the following (could be used for 10 – Ball as well):

• Alternate break EXCEPT if breaker parks the CB in “the landing zone” (see diagram below………egg shaped circle), makes a ball on the break and then runs out, he/she maintains the table and gets to break again the next game. If breaker makes a ball on the break but does not land the CB in the “landing zone” or breaks dry the very next shot is 2-shot push out rules UNTIL the first ball is made………….like Buddy Hall once said, make them "wrestle" for the first ball. After the first ball is made then its Texas Express rules until the game is over. Note: The breaker must "park" the CB in the landing zone, hitting a rail first would not count.

• Break from the Break Box.

• Do studies on where it is most difficult to make a ball from and rack the nineball on this spot…….somewhere between the spot and the traditional racking area. Use the Magic Rack or Sardo Tight Rack.......no manual racking. Three balls must pass the head string.

These rules would force the breaker to break hard with maximum attention on controlling the CB, making a ball, and running out to maintain the table……..only way to string racks together.

The 2-shot push out rule on the first ball (except for above “landing zone” rule) would, at least a bit, force a strategic battle for the first shot, something that 9 - Ball has been missing and dearly needs IMHO. It would prolong the match a bit perhaps but it would favor the better player and longer races would not be needed as much…….say race to 9 vs. 11.

The tournament or tour sponsor could have the cloth provider put their logo in the landing zone area. I think Camel did this when they were the sponsor of the PBT……..or ESPN, TOC????

View attachment 296735

Am I crazy? Please discuss. Thx.


Duke (“Ty”) Laha

In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with 9 ball. If players don't like it let them play call shot 10 ball. If those games are too easy why not play 15 ball call shot just like 10 ball but with 15 balls. If that's too easy play call shot 15 ball on a Triple shimmed 6x12 Snooker Table. The sad thing is people would still say that was too easy. Just like 50 no count 14.1. race to 200.
 
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