For those of you that remember the 80's...
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Lil' bit o' private war I have with someone else - I'll refrain from mentioning the party's name on the open forum. Absolutely not directed at you , Neil !
Yes , Sir , we still stick our heads out once in a while . . .
Lil' bit o' private war I have with someone else - I'll refrain from mentioning the party's name on the open forum. Absolutely not directed at you , Neil !
Yes , Sir , we still stick our heads out once in a while . . .
No i've never played a race to 3 for a G and given or even asked $ weight.....
but I've played $300 dollar one hole 700 miles from home when I only had $300 left in my pocket.....played for almost 3 days and came out well ahead with a nice fat roll in my pocket and a $400 table time fee.
I've also played $500 a game one hole giving 10-4.....that didn't turn out so well and got a gun put to my head.....lost 9500 and never lost a game more than 8-4.... i got the gun stuck to my forehead after the first game. How you like that homie?
If your asking if I'm a worm that I am not sir.
Got any more questions to ask me brother? Your more than welcome to try and call me out again.....sorry it didn't work out for you....on the bright side your grammar is impeccable.
-Grey Ghost-
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true true....I'd take a meth head over a coke head anyday they are less jarring....but in my experience players on coke don't play with the same panache as meth heads lol
speaking of Richard....remember kids never mix two kinds of milk when dipping your cookies.....its explosive to say the least lmfao
ok then its a gaffe inherent to the dam game then.......still sucks nuts which ever way you decide to cut the cake.
can any informed player or instructor say that one pocket is NOT a better game than 9 ball? NO and thats one of the reasons why neil.
If there were gaffs like that in other sports they would fix it, or the sports would not be where they are today.
I know were all grinding and hustling but these loop holes have no place in the game in my opinion.
If 8 ball was played in the open and pro arenas with the same slop counts like you find in the APA what do you think of that game? ITS GAFFY SO IT SUCKS.....don't answer that neil b/c a individual with your knowledge doesn't even have to speak to say its a garbage excuse for a pool game.
-Grey Ghost-
you are right Ghost, 9ball today is the bratty little sister of the game I grew up playing in the late 80's. We should revert to playing the ring game style of the 9ball without jump cues IMO, but you can jump full cue.....more fun, better for the viewer, and faster action.
On a similar note, I have been charting matches lately to note if the first player to jump a ball wins the game. Nope, after about 20 matches at random the jumper is losing 60% of the time! so shying away from a bank or billiard might be a losing bet in some situstions.
Lets not forget the "go for it factor" which is what I call it.....it's when you go for a tough shot and leave the guy hooked.....similar to the old 2 way shot. It plays a HUGE part in the descision to go for it or hide.
I have been told I play too wide open, but it's not without reason. Theres a difference between reckless and a calculated ballsy risk IMO!
G.
On a similar note, I have been charting matches lately to note if the first player to jump a ball wins the game. Nope, after about 20 matches at random the jumper is losing 60% of the time! so shying away from a bank or billiard might be a losing bet in some situstions.
Lets not forget the "go for it factor" which is what I call it.....it's when you go for a tough shot and leave the guy hooked.....similar to the old 2 way shot. It plays a HUGE part in the descision to go for it or hide.
I have been told I play too wide open, but it's not without reason. Theres a difference between reckless and a calculated ballsy risk IMO!
G.
i'd have to agree that many players nowadays don't have enough "gumption" to just play straight up, and if they lose, go back to the practice table to up their game.
this should be the theme for a new "The Color of Money" for the new generation:
fast eddie: "hey kid, remember that money earned....... is twice as sweet as money lost....":grin-square:
premise: young aspiring pool player tries to fulfill his dreams and make it as a professional but is convinced by his friends that it is too hard, and that he should keep his job at McDonalds and just keep playing for funzies, or unless someone gives him a fair handicap.
"always did, always will!!!"
...there have always been people that play "WIDE OPEN." See how many players from that era, that tried to give and out-run ridiculous spots had any money left at the end of the day? Answer, NONE! (A super money player from that era who favored wide open play, like Bucky Bell could state this better), but You will go broke playing that way, you did in the eighties and you most certainly will playing against the top young guns of today!
In days and times past, most regional shortstops folded up, playing against an "Internationally known "gun," like a DiLiberto, or Sigel, and I'm sure they'd attest to that." Today however, "EVERYONE fires at you despite your reputation! Just ask Mike Sigel how intimidated 18 year old Jesse Engel was of him this year at the Open?
And if any of you seriously think the play was better in the 80's, your deluding yourself believing that fairy-tale! The players of today, play percentages, because that's what "WINS, did in the 80's, does today." It's just that more players realize that today and play that way because of that fact! You may win some matches "free-stroking" and playing wide open, but you won't get to the end of a pro tournament trying that SH*T!!!:banghead:
"Ah yes, I hear that, the sweet ring of truth!"
...there have always been people that play "WIDE OPEN." See how many players from that era, that tried to give and out-run ridiculous spots had any money left at the end of the day? Answer, NONE! (A super money player from that era who favored wide open play, like Bucky Bell could state this better), but You will go broke playing that way, you did in the eighties and you most certainly will playing against the top young guns of today!
In days and times past, most regional shortstops folded up, playing against an "Internationally known "gun," like a DiLiberto, or Sigel, and I'm sure they'd attest to that." Today however, "EVERYONE fires at you despite your reputation! Just ask Mike Sigel how intimidated 18 year old Jesse Engel was of him this year at the Open?
And if any of you seriously think the play was better in the 80's, your deluding yourself believing that fairy-tale! The players of today, play percentages, because that's what "WINS, did in the 80's, does today." It's just that more players realize that today and play that way because of that fact! You may win some matches "free-stroking" and playing wide open, but you won't get to the end of a pro tournament trying that SH*T!!!:banghead:
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I think the governing bodies of pool should elimate all the luck factors and 9 ball would be a decent fast game.
1st the puss out should be eliminated{learn to control the cue off break}
2nd call shot game{no more hill hill and getting slopped out on}
3rd if 9 ball is made on break it spots up and player continues.
4th no 3 foul rule{keeps the weaker shotmaker from being rewarded}
5th limit number of safties per game.
6th ban jump cues{learn to kick multiple rails and masse' instead of taking the easy route.}
Of course ive took advantage of these rules. Why because the rules says i can. But does that make it right and make me a better player, of course not. Actually it makes me a less skilled player. A lucky player that wins a 9 ball tournament should just step up to the winners circle and say "Yes i won, i took advantage of the rules, I got lucky, i know that i could never beat my opponent based on my skills. His knowledge and shotmaking is far superior than mine. So, thank you BCA or Texas Express for giving me this opportunity. Oh, and this money."
Are the players of today playing percentages or just playing in favor of the rules to get the cash?
It makes for a boring game when a player steps up to the table and says to himself well it not that a difficult shot but i dont think i can make it everytime so the percentages are low. I think i will play a safe since i can play as many as i want. Yep, thats what i will do so i wont lose.
1st the puss out should be eliminated{learn to control the cue off break}
2nd call shot game{no more hill hill and getting slopped out on}
3rd if 9 ball is made on break it spots up and player continues.
4th no 3 foul rule{keeps the weaker shotmaker from being rewarded}
5th limit number of safties per game.
6th ban jump cues{learn to kick multiple rails and masse' instead of taking the easy route.}
Of course ive took advantage of these rules. Why because the rules says i can. But does that make it right and make me a better player, of course not. Actually it makes me a less skilled player. A lucky player that wins a 9 ball tournament should just step up to the winners circle and say "Yes i won, i took advantage of the rules, I got lucky, i know that i could never beat my opponent based on my skills. His knowledge and shotmaking is far superior than mine. So, thank you BCA or Texas Express for giving me this opportunity. Oh, and this money."
Are the players of today playing percentages or just playing in favor of the rules to get the cash?
It makes for a boring game when a player steps up to the table and says to himself well it not that a difficult shot but i dont think i can make it everytime so the percentages are low. I think i will play a safe since i can play as many as i want. Yep, thats what i will do so i wont lose.
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Those comments are exactly why the women dont wipe the floor with the men.....they would rather play safe than go for a shot.....that gets you beat too you know.....
not to mention its boring to watch.....if its boring to watch then no ones watching
hdgis1
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This ain't an oil rig homie!
I can see you're a cerebral man who doesn't let his emotions get in the way of thinking things through. I am not interested in the chest thumping and posturing, I am simply trying to point out that while you are quick to blame the state of the game on the "pussification of america" you willingly put yourself in a position in which you perpetuate said problem.
As I understand it, the point of giving and taking weight is to create an equal playing field in which both players think they have the opportunity to win/succeed. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this what you meant to imply was the very problem with, as you so eloquently put it, the "pussification of america"?
Chris
I can see you're a cerebral man who doesn't let his emotions get in the way of thinking things through. I am not interested in the chest thumping and posturing, I am simply trying to point out that while you are quick to blame the state of the game on the "pussification of america" you willingly put yourself in a position in which you perpetuate said problem.
As I understand it, the point of giving and taking weight is to create an equal playing field in which both players think they have the opportunity to win/succeed. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this what you meant to imply was the very problem with, as you so eloquently put it, the "pussification of america"?
Chris
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I think the majority of KIDs of this generation, are not, or have little interest in POOL. JMHO
I see them coming in our pool Room with Grandma, and Grandpa, and most look board!
Kids are into:
Video Games
Text Messaging
Cell phones
IPOD's
More Video GAMES.
Kids want to do things that happen NOW, and even the kids at the Boys, and Girls Clubs would for the most part be on a Computer, than a Pool Table.
It is monkey see, monkey do, and if some ROLE MODEL to the GENERATION of KIDS in the 8-18 AGE GROUP said playing pool was cool, Pool would spring back to life....IFFFFFF
I see them coming in our pool Room with Grandma, and Grandpa, and most look board!
Kids are into:
Video Games
Text Messaging
Cell phones
IPOD's
More Video GAMES.
Kids want to do things that happen NOW, and even the kids at the Boys, and Girls Clubs would for the most part be on a Computer, than a Pool Table.
It is monkey see, monkey do, and if some ROLE MODEL to the GENERATION of KIDS in the 8-18 AGE GROUP said playing pool was cool, Pool would spring back to life....IFFFFFF
So your saying that by me letting the game be more equal in the gambling matches I'm aiding and abetting the "pussification of america"
I didn't see it that way and didn't mean it that way......
there is noting wrong with getting the game "right" but it only goes so far....there's a thin line there when it becomes stealing. The leagues use their ratings to supposedly give players a chance to play with others, when the rating system is only used to bust up good teams into weaker ones so they make more money.
There's nothing wrong with getting a game even, but whats prevalent today is the opponent wants weight.....which is fine, but he wants 2 balls more than he deserves
or he wants weight (the 7) in BB 9 ball in a race to 5......for $10 after you win the first set 5-3 LMFAO (story from a frined of mine)
besides al the soft the leagues have introduced to the game........kids today are just soft period so what do you expect.....
NO THIS IS NOT AN OIL RIG.......and I CAN TELL!
Rigs are full of some of the last cowboys you'll find that man up! Pool used to be full of these WARRIORS.......now its full of PANSIES
Texas express rules
If you want to liven up the 9 and 10 ball viewing and playing tweak the rules and take the best of both worlds. Texas Express is good for its BIH format on all fouls. Expand this to even missing any shot unless you call a safety.
And talking about safeties, limit them to one per game or a total number per match. You use 'em as you need 'em.
Jump cues should be limited or not allowed. Jumping with your own cue should have no rules placed on it. It's part of the game.
9 ball should spot if made on the break in the bottom corners.
Handicapped tourneys should be games on the wire, not wild 7 and 8 balls for the weaker player.
Do not alternate breaking. Winner breaks. Let's see your game, Cowboy! Hang some racks.
Rack your own balls. Stop the whining and delays.
Institute a shot clock at TD's discretion. 20 seconds is enough time as you arrive at the table and possibly add a 1 minute time out feature to be used once a match.
Best,
Mike
If you want to liven up the 9 and 10 ball viewing and playing tweak the rules and take the best of both worlds. Texas Express is good for its BIH format on all fouls. Expand this to even missing any shot unless you call a safety.
And talking about safeties, limit them to one per game or a total number per match. You use 'em as you need 'em.
Jump cues should be limited or not allowed. Jumping with your own cue should have no rules placed on it. It's part of the game.
9 ball should spot if made on the break in the bottom corners.
Handicapped tourneys should be games on the wire, not wild 7 and 8 balls for the weaker player.
Do not alternate breaking. Winner breaks. Let's see your game, Cowboy! Hang some racks.
Rack your own balls. Stop the whining and delays.
Institute a shot clock at TD's discretion. 20 seconds is enough time as you arrive at the table and possibly add a 1 minute time out feature to be used once a match.
Best,
Mike
the power of perception. I always thought weight was just a way to give an average player the idea he had a chance, when in reality he was still going to lose 89.587% of the time. May the myth of the "equal playing field" continue!
PocketPoint
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I would say these rules would make for better TV maybe, but I also enjoy some of the pro's who are able to kick multiple rails and are able to be accurate enough to play a safety. That type of game isn't really boring to me.
PocketPoint
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Also what are you supposed to do if balls are tied up and you come to the table without an angle to break them up. Do you just have to make the ball and then hit the cluster as hard as you can and hope to get lucky?
Hey Jesse, Your skills are amazing. You rock brother. Keep on posting the vids :thumbup: