wayne said:
LOL the hardest bit would be finding 100,000 players i wish there was that many!!!!!!!!!
Foul on all balls
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LOL the hardest bit would be finding 100,000 players i wish there was that many!!!!!!!!!
A lot of the rules in pool games seem to be in reaction to something people can abuse (the balkline stuff in billiards would be the classic example).
In almost all cases, elegant solutions have been found for any given problem. For example, we can assume that in the past there was an issue with players just rolling the cue ball anywhere to play no-brainer safeties, so some clever guy decided something must touch a rail after contact. It's a nice solution to something that can be plainly abused.
I have never in my life seen anyone try to manipulate or take advantage of 'accidentally brushing the ball'. I don't feel like my experience is unusual or a fluke... from what people are describing, it's very rare when it happens, always accidental, and everyone involved is decent about correcting it.
I guess my feeling then would be... if it ain't broke, why are we fixing it?
In almost all cases, elegant solutions have been found for any given problem. For example, we can assume that in the past there was an issue with players just rolling the cue ball anywhere to play no-brainer safeties, so some clever guy decided something must touch a rail after contact. It's a nice solution to something that can be plainly abused.
I have never in my life seen anyone try to manipulate or take advantage of 'accidentally brushing the ball'. I don't feel like my experience is unusual or a fluke... from what people are describing, it's very rare when it happens, always accidental, and everyone involved is decent about correcting it.
I guess my feeling then would be... if it ain't broke, why are we fixing it?
it's become controversial at our local tournaments recently.
Generally we play "all balls fouls". Some players started to appeal for the rules which say "cueball fouls only without a referee" (and the majority of tourneys are without a ref), which is understandable. And it may sound silly to call a foul for an unintentional touch of some ball when, for example, a player is leaning towards the shot. It is even a common practice now not to call a foul if a player touches a ball with clothes when bending over.
But I feel this rule is not fair when my opponent has to shoot jacked-up over a close ball (usually as a result of my safety) and under this rule can feel no pressure of possible foul. If there was an exclusion for such cases I don't mind playing CB fouls only. But as it is I prefer all balls fouls: when at the table, pay attention to the details and take precautions. Otherwise you could be penalized.
Same rules apply to me, so why should I give advantage to careless ones?
Generally we play "all balls fouls". Some players started to appeal for the rules which say "cueball fouls only without a referee" (and the majority of tourneys are without a ref), which is understandable. And it may sound silly to call a foul for an unintentional touch of some ball when, for example, a player is leaning towards the shot. It is even a common practice now not to call a foul if a player touches a ball with clothes when bending over.
But I feel this rule is not fair when my opponent has to shoot jacked-up over a close ball (usually as a result of my safety) and under this rule can feel no pressure of possible foul. If there was an exclusion for such cases I don't mind playing CB fouls only. But as it is I prefer all balls fouls: when at the table, pay attention to the details and take precautions. Otherwise you could be penalized.
Same rules apply to me, so why should I give advantage to careless ones?
Well
I prefer cue ball fouls only, especially on a full sized table because I am built lower to the ground than most players and I can not help how tall I am. All ball fouls could almost be considered discrimatory for shorter players because they sure can not shoot over a frozen ball in the middle of the table or reach near as far from the end rails to shoot a shot.
So, if you won a match because your opponent was short and could not reach a shot and mis-hit the cue ball, would you really feel like you had bested that player?
Now, I have seen many a player get belly hooked, but that is something they can do something about if they want to ... LOL
I have used chairs to steady myself for my left foot when I have to get up high for a jump or masse shot with my right foot on the floor, and perhaps standing on my right tiptoes, and there are no rules against it, BTW, but some of my opponents have sure cried a lot about it.
Vahmurka said:
I prefer cue ball fouls only, especially on a full sized table because I am built lower to the ground than most players and I can not help how tall I am. All ball fouls could almost be considered discrimatory for shorter players because they sure can not shoot over a frozen ball in the middle of the table or reach near as far from the end rails to shoot a shot.
So, if you won a match because your opponent was short and could not reach a shot and mis-hit the cue ball, would you really feel like you had bested that player?
Now, I have seen many a player get belly hooked, but that is something they can do something about if they want to ... LOL
I have used chairs to steady myself for my left foot when I have to get up high for a jump or masse shot with my right foot on the floor, and perhaps standing on my right tiptoes, and there are no rules against it, BTW, but some of my opponents have sure cried a lot about it.
That's discrimination, that is...
I am against all ball fouls because it discourages women with large breasts from playing the game.
And no one here wants that...
I am against all ball fouls because it discourages women with large breasts from playing the game.
And no one here wants that...
At our home league we do not have foul on all balls otherwise i would lose a lot more... It is tough not to so much as tap an OB some times.
sjm said:
Good Point that is what I should have said instead...LOL
fouls
While stationed in Germany and playing the DBU league. All ball fouls in all games 8,9, and 14.1 no referees, most fouls were called by the individual committing the foul. I think it helped your game by making you aware of the table.
While stationed in Germany and playing the DBU league. All ball fouls in all games 8,9, and 14.1 no referees, most fouls were called by the individual committing the foul. I think it helped your game by making you aware of the table.
Is the golfer also permitted to accidentally tap a ball on the green when addressing it? My point is that a ball on a tee is a very different situation from a ball in play.sjm said:
Snooker and carom players don't seem to have much trouble with "all fouls."
Bob Jewett said:
Unfortunately, pool players aren't blessed with opponents who exhibit the apparent character and moral fiber of snooker and carom players. I have no problem with all-ball fouls if an impartial party is calling the game, but the sad fact is that there are far too many opponents who can and will call non-existent fouls when the need arises. If my opponent calls a foul because he/she claims that my shirt touched a ball that I was leaning over, there is no way to verify it, and nothing to go on besides an opponent's honor, which in all too many cases has been observed to be inversely proportional to the size of the bet.
We play all ball fouls when gambling on St. Thomas, and we've got one particular character who is famous for calling non-existent fouls anytime he is behind and you are running out. It's easy to say, "Well just don't play him," but he's got the most gamble in town. How can you quit a man that will donate $500 or so (to me alone, never mind the other players who feed at the trough) every week or two for months at a time? So we've had to utilize the services of third parties to verify the fouls called, which is really just the same as having a refereed match, which leads us right back to the existing rules, which IMHO, should remain as they stand.