Fraudulent cue seller on ebay

My name is Danny Hepler. I purchased the Jerry Rauenzahn cue in question here originally on ebay auction number 7206332695. the cue was not remotely close to representation. at best it is a 90% cue by blue book guidelines. both shafts have noticeable dings/dents in them, and one shaft obviously has had the ferrule replaced. that shoots out the one shaft unplayed representation. the forearm at the joint has a 1.5 inch scratching in the finish that appears to be a case zipper mark. the butt cap is also visably scratched in multiple areas. so much for a mint condition cue.

aaron stated that he was selling it for a friend, and that he personally did not look over the cue. that was a bad move to potentially ruin ones name/reputation by not seeing the product.

through several phone calls and emails aaron was in fact informed that the cue would be returned via fed-ex COD. the cue was in fact returned via fed-ex tracking number 8132 9701 1214.

aaron saw fit to write a NSF check to pick up the cue. that is fraud. when confronted with this I was told that i was to return the cue and i would have been credited through paypal. i was further informed that he did not have the funds in paypal at the present time to refund the money, however paypal themselves would refund all my money and he would run a negative balance with them. this is complete bullsh*t.

i now have a NSF check in my possession which will be used as evidence in a court of law on an upcoming fraud prosecution in the event that mr. aaron painter does not honor the paypal refund. paypal has in fact refunded $175.00 under buyer protection leaving a balance of $323.00 due me in this case.

the fact that aaron continues to promise to make good on his word with setting up a new paypal account has a real bad smell to it. a real man who values his word would simply obtain some cashiers checks or money orders and forward them immediately via an overnight express mail format.

should i not receive my complete refund by the 2-10-2006 i will in fact initiate fraud charges through every channel available.

to add insult to injury this person has continued to lie with the feedback he has given me (mutually withdrawn, however still in print) on ebay, as well as the lie on auction number 7209935834 in which runscott initiated this exposure of this seller.

the best thing that aaron can do at this time is to immediately refund the monies due without further bullsh*t, and i'm certain that runscott as well as myself will report that aaron did honor his word.

i spend 5 years of my life in an environment where all a man had was his word, nothing else needs said here.
 
Anytime that the US Post Office has been used in the commission of fraud, the crime becomes a federal offense. Contact the US POSTAL INSPECTOR'S Office and describe your problem because they ultimately will appear on the buyer's doorstep wearing a badge and firearm. They've worked for me twice in the past.
 
asiasdad said:
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the fact that aaron continues to promise to make good on his word with setting up a new paypal account has a real bad smell to it. a real man who values his word would simply obtain some cashiers checks or money orders and forward them immediately via an overnight express mail format.

should i not receive my complete refund by the 2-10-2006 i will in fact initiate fraud charges through every channel available
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i spend 5 years of my life in an environment where all a man had was his word, nothing else needs said here.
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Thanks Danny. Your patience seems excessive - mine ends with tomorrow's mail pick-up.
 
Crazy

First Of All I Did Not Give You A Nsf Check. I Stopped Payment On It And Used Paypal. Second, I Did Not Lie To Anyone Nor Use The Us Post Office For Fraud. Your Money Has Been Partially Refunded And Will Be Complete In A Few Days. I Have No Problem With Taking Some Abuse For My Poor Judgements And Mistakes But I Do Derserve A Litlle Time To Make It Right. You Guys Are Crazy!!! Sit Tight And It Will Be Handeled. Thanx Aaron
 
that was a different person that posted about using USPS. my post states clearly that i used Fed-ex. Regardless, when any mail courier is utilized in the commission of a fraud that crosses state lines, it is a federal offense. By your own statement of "First of all i did not give yiou a Nsf Check, I stopped Payment On It" you have just convicted yourself in a court of law of fraud.

you then state that you deserve a little time to make it right. the fact is you have had a little time, and you deserve nothing as you have not been forthright with either scott or myself in this entire matter.

you will be prosecuted in the event we are not refunded via cashiers checks or money orders immediately via overnight courier. you have our addresses. there are no acceptable excuses.

it's indeed a shame that even with a successful prosecution you will not get "a lttle time" because a few years of selling your pussy for packs is most likely what it will take for you to learn the value of a persons word.

game over.
 
asiasdad said:
that was a different person that posted about using USPS. my post states clearly that i used Fed-ex. Regardless, when any mail courier is utilized in the commission of a fraud that crosses state lines, it is a federal offense. By your own statement of "First of all i did not give yiou a Nsf Check, I stopped Payment On It" you have just convicted yourself in a court of law of fraud.

you then state that you deserve a little time to make it right. the fact is you have had a little time, and you deserve nothing as you have not been forthright with either scott or myself in this entire matter.

you will be prosecuted in the event we are not refunded via cashiers checks or money orders immediately via overnight courier. you have our addresses. there are no acceptable excuses.

it's indeed a shame that even with a successful prosecution you will not get "a lttle time" because a few years of selling your pussy for packs is most likely what it will take for you to learn the value of a persons word.

game over.
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Danny, I just pm'd you my phone number - call in the morning at your convenience. I got a bs email from him yesterday morning promising to 'overnight' payment, which did not happen. Aaron Painter is a thief - he now has in his possession over $800 in payments from selling this cue TWICE, plus he also has the cue. When you call in the morning I will already have filed the police report, so I'll let you know what you need to do. Aaron Painter is going to be the poster child for internet thievery and hopefully this will discourage anyone else from trying this. I couldn't care less if this were $5 or $5,000 - no one has ever stolen from me and gotten away from it, and I'll be damned if a second-rate used car salesman from Illinois is going to be the first.
 
correction

Your money has been next dayed today. Not there by friday,sent on friday. Post tomorrow your results. Thanx Aaron
 
Runscott Tracking#

ED 595877718 US Certified funds Next day air. Saturday by noon. Dan's money is coming next. Thanx Aaron
 
PAINPOOL said:
ED 595877718 US Certified funds Next day air. Saturday by noon. Dan's money is coming next. Thanx Aaron
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Nice to see that you are coming through....hope it's not a "day late and a dollar short".
 
The only people that know whahahapndis AP and the buyers. We (the chirpers) should give it a few days to see how it shakes out.....the eternal optimist.
 
PAINPOOL said:
ED 595877718 US Certified funds Next day air. Saturday by noon. Dan's money is coming next. Thanx Aaron
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Payment arrived today. Let's be clear about something - the fact that, almost one month after Painter received payment, after repeatedly ignoring me, and only after being assured that his local police were about to be involved, he finally refunded money that belongs to me, does not in any way make this man's behavior acceptable.

The Rockton police contacted me this morning and I just replied by email telling them to drop it. If Danny needs assistance I will certainly help him in any way possible.

Perhaps an illustration of a proper transaction would help: AFTER posting this complaint about Painter, a forum member contacted me asking about a cue. We haggled, he Paypal'd me, I shipped the cue, and he had it in his hands BEFORE Painter finally managed to get a refund to me. That's nothing special - it's normal.
 
:) :) :)

I'll hazard a guess here, and assume that was me, runscott.

Happy to be of service, as to what a "cue deal" is SUPPOSED to be! Can't imagine how something so simple got so F'ed up:

"I want cue"
"Okay, I'll sell you cue"
"I paid for cue"
"Okay, I received money, and I'm sending cue"
-shipping time passes-
"I received cue"
"Okay, thank you"
"Thank you, too"

Seems pretty cut and dry, no? Anything that strays from this formula is a shame....but EASILY fixable. Shouldn't take over a week to rectify, WORST CASE SENARIO.......JMHO

Take care, guys.

Rat (Mark)
 
good for you no tracking number for me

runscott said:
Payment arrived today. Let's be clear about something - the fact that, almost one month after Painter received payment, after repeatedly ignoring me, and only after being assured that his local police were about to be involved, he finally refunded money that belongs to me, does not in any way make this man's behavior acceptable.

The Rockton police contacted me this morning and I just replied by email telling them to drop it. If Danny needs assistance I will certainly help him in any way possible.

Perhaps an illustration of a proper transaction would help: AFTER posting this complaint about Painter, a forum member contacted me asking about a cue. We haggled, he Paypal'd me, I shipped the cue, and he had it in his hands BEFORE Painter finally managed to get a refund to me. That's nothing special - it's normal.
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as my ebay auction ended on december 23, 2005 and 43 days have passed as i type these words, i would say that it is time for me to contact Rockton PD as i too was promised an overnight cashiers check with a tracking number, and that has not happened. I've been trying to call you throughout the day scott for the contact info on the Rockton PD, and i will attempt again later. You have posted that aaron eventually has in fact refunded you. i will do the same should that happen. In the meantime i will continue to post here as events unfold in this drama. it will be useful to those on this board for insight on what to do in the event they ever get caught in a situation such as this where you and i have fallen victim.

i'm glad your case has finally closed. like you i'm pushing forward in principle.
 
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I just finished reading through this thread and quite frankly this guy, like Huff, is nothing more than a criminal...I would continue to pursue police action with this one....
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