Free Super Pro Tip
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As I have said before, I have no problem with what he is charging for these tips. The problem I have is that his ad is misleading at best, and fraudulent at worst. He is clearly using the inflated shipping to turn a profit off of these proclaimed "free" tips, so just be truthful about it, instead of trying to take advantage of unwitting members. Honesty is the issue here, not price.trendkill said:
Poolplaya9 said:
I agree with you there, but if he's only making enough to cover his cost of the tips...I don't see a need to keep up with all the trash talking. If the AZ community doesn't mind paying a few dollars for the shipping, then it's their decision...they can all very well just say "No thanks" and be done with it. Do you see where I'm coming from? I'm not saying you're wrong by any means, just think this is all a bit uncalled for.
Mike
Just dont say its free when its not,if you want $3 or so a tip then fine but dont advertise FREE,i can list FREE CUE and then say the shipping will be $100. 
Fast Lenny said:Just dont say its free when its not,if you want $3 or so a tip then fine but dont advertise FREE,i can list FREE CUE and then say the shipping will be $100.
Like I said, I agree and y'alls point has been made...but I'm also stating my point. Saying $100 for shipping is a bit out there. Seeing as how it only costs a max of $10 to ship a cue in the US. At least from Tx anyway...
Exactly my point and the cost to mail a tip or 2 is less then a $1 not $7.trendkill said:
It was actually $1.88 for shipping and figuring $2 per tip to cover his cost...what does the profit add up to?! Ahhhh...a whole dollar. You've made your point, and I've made mine...there's no reason to keep this going. You didn't order any tips from him, so there's no harm done. Let it go.
The point and truly valid one here is he shouldnt false advertise,list that your selling them so you dont waste peoples time.I dont have a problem with someone selling things but they should be honest and straightforward.If the intentions are to find people to try them out to buy them in bulk then dont charge them and give them 1 free sample.He can do business how he likes but believe me people arent feeling his bs business of FREE and they have spoken already and in PMs.A good idea would be to post that they arent free,$3 a tip,im sure people will buy them after trying one but not when they hear free and then find out its not.There are good people on here who do give free stuff to try out as promotion but this frankly isnt one of those deals.Ill just sit back now and watch him post another 10 threads on his FREE SUPER PRO TIPS that arent really free,this isnt how AZ should be but then again who the hell am i anyway,goodnight.trendkill said:
His example is not "out there," it is almost identical to the situation here. Charging $100 shipping when it only cost you $10 is a 10 time mark up. In this case if he is giving free tips, say 2 free for $7.00 shipping as in the example discussed in a previous post, then at a real cost of less than 60 cents to ship, this is almost a 12 time mark up on what is supposed to be "free" tips. These tips are not free, hence the issue. I could care less what he charges, just be honest.trendkill said:
Your whole point is that it is ok to be dishonest, if it is on small dollar items. I disagree.trendkill said:
I have already agreed with you, no need to keep arguing your point. I've also said that if the AZ'ers who have bought the tips from him don't like the deal they're offered...just simply don't take it. I'm neutral in this simply because there are people who are paying the $5 whether they complain or not is their problem after the fact. Don't accept the offer, then turn around and complain about it. Ya know?
I'm sure there are a lot of great people here, I wouldn't really know...haven't been here long enough and nobody's really welcomed me to the community. From all the threads I've read, it seems to be friendly for the most part. Nobody wants to constantly hear about this, just like they got sick of reading the ChrisC threads. That's why I keep saying to let it go and let everybody continue their buying/selling without drama.
Anyway, have a good night Lenny.
Mike
I'm sure there are a lot of great people here, I wouldn't really know...haven't been here long enough and nobody's really welcomed me to the community. From all the threads I've read, it seems to be friendly for the most part. Nobody wants to constantly hear about this, just like they got sick of reading the ChrisC threads. That's why I keep saying to let it go and let everybody continue their buying/selling without drama.
Anyway, have a good night Lenny.
Mike
He is not just covering his costs, he is making a good profit all the while trying to claim that he is giving them free and just covering his cost. That is the issue, deception, not cost.trendkill said:
Anybody can buy a box of these tips from Atlas Billiards for 50 cents each. At the quantity he buys, and probably from an even cheaper supplier or straight from the manufacturer, he pays MUCH LESS than that. Let's be conservative and guess 35 cents each. According to you his actual shipping charge is $1.88 (which is stupid and another disservice to his customers but that is another issue).
So he is charging $5, subtract his actual $1.88 shipping charge, and you have $3.12. That is almost a 9 time mark up, or 891% to be exact. All done under the guise of helping people by letting them try a "free" tip.
First off, I have already AGREED with you on the dishonesty part of the issue. Second, shipping is "weight calculated"...so that doesn't exactly split the price in half at that point.
I don't understand why you feel the need to keep arguing your point like I'm not getting it. Just because I'm new here doesn't mean I can't comprehend what you're saying. No, he wasn't honest about the tips, but you and Lenny where also stating that he was ripping people off. IMO, ripping somebody off usually means making more of a profit than a dollar. I also see where y'all are coming from...
So now, can this whole issue be done with? I'm not here to argue with anybody, but I went and threw my .02 in and it's turned into an argument that shouldn't even be taking place.
I don't understand why you feel the need to keep arguing your point like I'm not getting it. Just because I'm new here doesn't mean I can't comprehend what you're saying. No, he wasn't honest about the tips, but you and Lenny where also stating that he was ripping people off. IMO, ripping somebody off usually means making more of a profit than a dollar. I also see where y'all are coming from...
So now, can this whole issue be done with? I'm not here to argue with anybody, but I went and threw my .02 in and it's turned into an argument that shouldn't even be taking place.
Although it was not directed at me, have a great night as well.trendkill said:
Ripping people off is ripping people off, regardless of the amount. What is all boils down to is that for small amounts you are ok with it, as you stated above and several other times. It is not ok with me. We can agree to disagree.trendkill said:
Poolplaya9 said:
Once again, going by a link to Prather that was provided earlier...the tips are $2 for 1-3 tips. So he buys in bulk and gets them cheaper. Now, in Houston...if I were to have a tip put on my cue...it'd cost me $20+. To me, that's ripping somebody off. According to you, if I had somebody put on a .35 tip, I can figure the materials used is a total of $2, and the 5 minutes that it takes to put the tip on...that's a profit of $17.65. Now, I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I can tell you that's a rip off.
What he decides to pay for shipping is his decision, it shouldn't cost almost $2 for shipping...but that's also money out of his pocket.
I'm done arguing with you now...you keep dragging it out and this should have been over quite some time ago. All I can tell you is that he let everyone know what the "shipping costs" were...some paid it, some didn't. If they took it, they have no right to complain. They knew what was going on, simple as that. No, it wasn't right...but it's done and over with.
Have yourself a good night, and sorry to all that felt they were ripped off. I have nothing to apologize for as far as this situation, but this lengthy argument was something to apologize for.
Poolplaya9 said:Ripping people off is ripping people off, regardless of the amount. What is all boils down to is that for small amounts you are ok with it, as you stated above and several other times. It is not ok with me. We can agree to disagree.
haha Ok, whatever you say.
Poolplaya9 said:Ripping people off is ripping people off, regardless of the amount. What is all boils down to is that for small amounts you are ok with it, as you stated above and several other times. It is not ok with me. We can agree to disagree.
Tell ya what, if you're so bent out of shape....I'll send you the $5 if that'll get your panties out of a bunch. Just let it go already...it's getting to the point it's pathetic.