Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
We’ve all been playing incorrectly. How can an object ball frozen to the CB be considered a good hit but a ball frozen to the rail not be a good rail? They should both be good hits or both bad hits. True or false?
Frozen ball
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False.
The rules states a rail must be hit (or a ball pocketed) *after* contact, not during or before.
The rules states a rail must be hit (or a ball pocketed) *after* contact, not during or before.
That's a rule but WW raises a good point. Possibly with a frozen CB/OB something still must be driven to a rail and with ball frozen to a rail, there must be a separate contact of the rail.
How about a cue ball frozen to an object ball that's frozen to a rail?
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Keep in mind a ball frozen to the rail needs to be driven to another rail because the rule makers had the foresight to avoid near-stalemate games where skilled players keep nipping into the same ball endlessly.
Infrared lamp. Now if you have a rail frozen to a rail, you need RKC.
Nit nurse. Wonder what the record is. (?)
Apparently we just have to declare it all frozen and calling it an inning. No shooting required!
23DenaliBDE
Well-known member
I did see something nearly happen during league that I realized I did not know the answer to, had it happened. If an object ball or cue ball strike a ball frozen to the rail and no actual contact with the rail occurs, is the shot legal and considered to have hit a rail?
Not legal
As i understand the rules
And why is an object ball straddling the head string considered 'in the kitchen', but the cue ball in the same position isn't.
We must get to the bottom of these paradoxes.
We must get to the bottom of these paradoxes.
Nothing touches the rail, except the struck object ball?
Foul. After contact, a ball must be driven to the rail?
23DenaliBDE
Well-known member
Thank you. I did not know if a ball frozen to the rail would be considered “part of the rail”. I could see that going either way.
Its basic in any rule set.
As is the fact the outgoing player has to declare the frozen ball as such.
In the WSR the line is not part of the kitchen.
This is why I highly doubt you'll ever see an instance of this occurring. The opponent would need to have the fore sight to determine a ball not involved with the primary shot is in fact frozen to the rail prior to the shot being made. This isn't something you can pull off while the potential foul shot is in action.
It definitely behooves the outgoing player to call ANY frozen ball frozen, irrespective of its perceived involvement in the proximate inning.
There's a lotta balls and some weird shit can happen.
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
I’m saying if a frozen ball to the rail isn’t considered to hit the rail how can the CB touching the OB to start be considered a hit on that ball. You never hit the OB. It might hit the rail after but never hit the CB. I mean it almost makes more sense to be the opposite way around. Because when a ball is frozen to the rail and compresses the rail it at least touches a different part of the rail. I honestly just put this up for the late nighters on Saturday. Lol
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
Well yeah but you never actually hit it. If the second half of a hit is considered to be a hit then you’d be able to combo a frozen combo with your opponents ball as long as you can freeze the CB on opponents ball. Or in 9 a higher ball. And it should be legal