FS: Ebony Scruggs Titlist conversion

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Here is a true find at a steal of a price. You just don't get to see an Ebony Titlist conversion often, and when you find one by master cuemaker, Tim Scruggs, you are truly onto something. This cue is new, unchalked, unplayed. It is up to you whether you want to play with it or put it away. It is certainly a rare, rare cue. It has a matched pair of MONSTER shafts, too. This ia a really unique cue. It is not a full splice, as they did cut the cue to add a handle to be able to put the points where they wanted them and for stability.

Specifications:
-Butt weight: 15.0 ounces
-Shaft 1: 4.2 ounces, Ivory ferrule, 13.15mm
-Shaft 2: 4.2 ounces, Ivory ferrule, 13,15mm
-Solid block Ivory joint
-Black phenolic joint collars
-Stainless radial pin
-Converted from one piece Ebony Titlist blank..not a full splice cue..they cut and add a handle for stability
-4 veneers, natural, mahogany, green, purple
-Old school white with green specks irish linen wrap
-Butt sleeve has a piece of sap wood in it which really adds character to the cue
-Ivory Hoppe ring with trademark "TS"
-Black phenolic butt cap

SOLD...

Joe
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Still available

Deal fell through....the Scruggs Titlist conversion is still available.

Cue is SOLD!!
 
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You are lucky if he sells Vass

I just told him it is a $1800.00 cue. Give away price.
Nick :)
 
thank you West,
It was like a morning present to me seeing the cue was back and had the first shot.
I just wanted to say thank you to my very good friend Nick for bringing a light in my cue knowladge how well radial pin ivory joint TS play.
 
no problem I feel like it's gonna be my next player but will have the cue tomorrow.

Call me.
Did you get a hold of the guy with the Viguera cue?

Vass
 
You will love it

You wil sell it. You will hate yourself. History lesson. Mine will not sell this low. Bama was very nice to sell this cue for a gentleman that needed urgent funds. The buyer that didn't get the cue because it wasn't full splice is not very smart.
The way Timi's handle is done is called a full splice by many other builders. Timi says if the cue is cut it is no longet a full splice. He calls his splice a custom splice and it extends below the wrap just like a Hershek or others spices do. They say there splice is a full splice and I think someone is not right. But Timi is old school and thinks it's all a bunch to do abount nothing. But then again he is Timi!
Nick :)
 
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nick serdula said:
You wil sell it. You will hate yourself. History lesson. Mine will not sell this low. Bama was very nice to sell this cue for a gentleman that needed urgent funds. The buyer that didn't get the cue because it wasn't full splice is not very smart.
The way Timi's handle is done is called a full splice by many other builders. Timi says if the cue is cut it is no longet a full splice. He calls his splice a custom splice and it extends below the wrap just like a Hershek or others spices do. They say there splice is a full splice and I think someone is not right. But Timi is old school and thinks it's all a bunch to do abount nothing. But then again he is Timi!
Nick :)
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So you are saying that Tim Scruggs adds an additional splice below the wrap? If you are comparing his splice to Hercek's, then that must be what Scruggs is doing. I think the point is that Hercek is using ONLY splices above where you hold your hand. The fact that he uses two splices doesn't negate the fact that it's full-splice.

I used to be a purist about full-spliced cues, but my favorite players, with one exception, have NOT been full-spliced. I've heard all the stuff about harmonics, etc, and I don't know if I buy it - if you have two splices and only use glue, or if you have no splices but only use glue, how does that effect harmonics? I don't even really see how introducing screws and weight bolts into the picture could have an effect, but certainly willing to be enlightened.
 
Alot of times When a cuemaker is asked to convert a Titlist Blank the first question is: Is their enough Blank to convert to "Todays" Standard Butt length??? If their is, then the next question is: Do you want a wrap?
That said...If their is not enough Blank to salvage...Then the customer is required to put a wrap, because the cuemaker needs to 'add' to the handle area in order to make the butt Standard length.
-When this is the circumstance, a handle is installed. A portion of the original Titlist is used at the Butt, in order to maintain Originality of Titlist.

...With this cue in mind, it would not suprise me if Scruggs did add a handle to the Titlist.

I will add...when a "handle" is not added...The Butt is limited to the weight. My Richard Black Titlist...is maxed out @ 15oz. The butt would have to be drilled further in and a special weight bolt custom made. My cue has a very light "hallow" feel. It does not feel as "solid" as a cue with a handle which requires 'construction screws' holding the handle in place.
I hope this helps.

-W
 
wild west said:
Alot of times When a cuemaker is asked to convert a Titlist Blank the first question is: Is their enough Blank to convert to "Todays" Standard Butt length??? If their is, then the next question is: Do you want a wrap?
That said...If their is not enough Blank to salvage...Then the customer is required to put a wrap, because the cuemaker needs to 'add' to the handle area in order to make the butt Standard length.
-When this is the circumstance, a handle is installed. A portion of the original Titlist is used at the Butt, in order to maintain Originality of Titlist.

...With this cue in mind, it would not suprise me if Scruggs did add a handle to the Titlist.

I will add...when a "handle" is not added...The Butt is limited to the weight. My Richard Black Titlist...is maxed out @ 15oz. The butt would have to be drilled further in and a special weight bolt custom made. My cue has a very light "hallow" feel. It does not feel as "solid" as a cue with a handle which requires 'construction screws' holding the handle in place.
I hope this helps.

-W
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Good explanation. Yeah, everyone wants a full-splice Titlist conversion, but IMO, unless you are going wrapless, you give your cue-maker a lot more options as far as weight,balance, etc., if you just let him add handlewood.

...and once you have agreed to let him do that, you might even benefit by letting him skip adding the chunk from the original Titlist below the handle - Kerry Zyler used a piece of curly Koa for mine, and it's incredible. The cue hits better than any Titlist conversion I've owned (except maybe my Tucker, which I'm still crying over selling to a buddy who was crying over not having a Tucker :)), and I've owned many of them (and I played with ALL of them).

To me, the appeal of the OLD Titlists and pre-Titlists is the seasoned wood. Perhaps it is my imagination, but they feel damned good, full-splice or not.
 
My question about this cue is about the wood. I've never seen ebony of this color. I have a converted ebony Titlist, and it's as black as night. In fact . . . I bought it from Vass.
 
Mr Hoppe said:
My question about this cue is about the wood. I've never seen ebony of this color. I have a converted ebony Titlist, and it's as black as night. In fact . . . I bought it from Vass.
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I have seen solid black ebony, light ebony, ebony with stripes in it, grainy ebony, and just about every variance fo ebony (as well as others). This is an old piece of wood and it had some heartwood/sapwood in it. It is just one of mother nature's tricks that she plays on us. Take a look at this piece of Ebony:
http://sleepingtiger.org/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/1/products_id/35


Joe
 
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it looks like Macassar to me.look at the handle in this cue,it is Macassar Ebony that darrin Hill had and made two cues with.both pieces were put in handles.i wanted this one,but couldn't swing the price tag.i ended up getting the other one which is a plainer but still fancy 8 pointer.it is the best looking Ebony i have ever seen anywhere period.you will have the cue in a week or two Joe.


http://hillscues.com/Images/Newest Pics/2007_cues_023.html
 
masonh said:
it looks like Macassar to me.look at the handle in this cue,it is Macassar Ebony that darrin Hill had and made two cues with.both pieces were put in handles.i wanted this one,but couldn't swing the price tag.i ended up getting the other one which is a plainer but still fancy 8 pointer.it is the best looking Ebony i have ever seen anywhere period.you will have the cue in a week or two Joe.

Wow!! Really nice wood, Mason. I can't wait to see it.
Joe
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