FS: New 2005 South West Cue!

[bruin70]

Deno,

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I'm curious if anyone knows definitely an ID technique for telling the difference. If the SW folks are so proud to call the Kersenbrocks early SWs, then why would they not reveal any identification hints ???

Sean

if it's fancy, you can send a pic to ed young and he'll have dpk look at it.

and i would guess that the SW folks were doing what they did simply because there ARE a plethora of cues being sold the dpk southwest when the sellers don't even know. SW may or may not know positively, but they are more qualified than the dealers spouting bullshit....and if i were them, i would police all this crap too. i don't know the extent of SW's honesty of intention, but as builders and "keepers" of SW, they have every right to smack down what they think are pretenders to the name, just as barry would have every right to walk through a hall and blast every fake szamboti he sees.

considering how notorious dpk is for being a flake, and how impossible it is/was for him to turn a cue on a semi-regular basis, it would be more correct for the dealers to say they have 1980's SW cues than to mislead and say they are dpk,,,,but then, that would mean lessening the value of their SW inventory.

money talks.

 

[SCCues]

SW Prices

I just want to ask...

Do we think the over-inflated prices of SW is because all of the Japanese and other overseas people snatching them up or is the demand that great in the US as well?

Looking for opinion,
Shorty

Shorty,

IMO SW cues are bringing the inflated high prices because it's human nature to want to own something that other people can't go out and buy. Since SW cues has a 7 year waiting list a lot of the lucky buyers who are own that list see a quick profit and they list their cues for sale when they get them. The cues can't be bought new unless it's from a dealer who worked a deal to get the cues or someone who's been on the waiting list for a long time. The prices are reflecting supply and demand and what the market will allow. If you want a new SW cue bad enough then you have to pay what the going prices are.

I've owned a couple of new SW cues which I bought from sellers who sold their cues as soon as they got them and to me they didn't play any better than some of the other cues i've owned. SW cues are good investments and they are pretty easy to sell if you ask a fair price for them. I didn't lose a penny on the ones I owned and I sold them because I prefer the feel and hit of a cue like my 19.1 oz. Paul Mottey with a 5/16x14 piloted ivory joint.

SCCues

 

[pooldogue]

I just wish they could build them straight , as i have seen many times their cues arent straight in the handle area... I would much rather buy from other makers and spend less money for a better product !!!!!! Then when you send a cue back to Southwest that is nt straight they charge (4 to 5 hundred) to fix their product that you already paid a fortune for.....

 

[Shorty]

Shorty,

IMO SW cues are bringing the inflated high prices because it's human nature to want to own something that other people can't go out and buy. Since SW cues has a 7 year waiting list a lot of the lucky buyers who are own that list see a quick profit and they list their cues for sale when they get them. The cues can't be bought new unless it's from a dealer who worked a deal to get the cues or someone who's been on the waiting list for a long time. The prices are reflecting supply and demand and what the market will allow. If you want a new SW cue bad enough then you have to pay what the going prices are.

I've owned a couple of new SW cues which I bought from sellers who sold their cues as soon as they got them and to me they didn't play any better than some of the other cues i've owned. SW cues are good investments and they are pretty easy to sell if you ask a fair price for them. I didn't lose a penny on the ones I owned and I sold them because I prefer the feel and hit of a cue like my 19.1 oz. Paul Mottey with a 5/16x14 piloted ivory joint.

SCCues

Hey thanks for your opinion there SCCues. I am contemplating a Skip Weston with a similar joint myself. I also have an ivory jointed 3/8-10 titleist coming to me very soon I hope, as in early next week. I want to see how it works out, and if not, I plan on putting it away for my son and perhaps purchasing the Skip Weston cue. I am really trying to get away from my Schon/Pred setup because I am noticing more and more I can not feel the ball coming off my tip, and really can't control the speed as well as I am normally acustomed.

Shorty

 

[ScottR]

Hey thanks for your opinion there SCCues. I am contemplating a Skip Weston with a similar joint myself. I also have an ivory jointed 3/8-10 titleist coming to me very soon I hope, as in early next week. I want to see how it works out, and if not, I plan on putting it away for my son and perhaps purchasing the Skip Weston cue. I am really trying to get away from my Schon/Pred setup because I am noticing more and more I can not feel the ball coming off my tip, and really can't control the speed as well as I am normally acustomed.

Shorty

Buy the Skip! Buy the Skip!!

Sell me the Titlist conversion!!! lol

 

[jazznpool]

That's where this cue came from. As far as secondary market SW pricing goes you don't know what you're talking about AT ALL! You're out of touch completely or thinking in terms of prices from a few years ago. Also SW production is WAY down this year. Vince is getting fewer cues lately and he doesn't sell what he gets to just anyone! Unless SW production is ramped up the wait for a new cue is about 9 years!

Martin

and you can get one brand new for wayyyy less from vince tedesco.

 

[justabrake]

I just wish they could build them straight , as i have seen many times their cues arent straight in the handle area... I would much rather buy from other makers and spend less money for a better product !!!!!! Then when you send a cue back to Southwest that is nt straight they charge (4 to 5 hundred) to fix their product that you already paid a fortune for.....

I heard that about SW cues that not all are straight but I never new you could send it back for a repair , so how could they repair a warped butt? never mind the price wouldn't it have to be replaced! :confused:

 

[bruin70]

That's where this cue came from. As far as secondary market SW pricing goes you don't know what you're talking about AT ALL! You're out of touch completely or thinking in terms of prices from a few years ago. Also SW production is WAY down this year. Vince is getting fewer cues lately and he doesn't sell what he gets to just anyone! Unless SW production is ramped up the wait for a new cue is about 9 years!

Martin

so then anyone who thought they were getting a cue in x years, now has to wait a few more years! this will no doubt make the secondary market a huge outlet.

why is production down if demand is still high? of their own choice?

 

[jazznpool]

Believe me SW quality control is as good as it gets. It is, in fact, one of the reasons the cues are so popular and command the prices they do. Laurie and the guys are extremely dedicated to producing a high quality product. Its like a religious practice over there! Highly unlikely that a crooked cue would ever leave the shop that way and if it did I'm certain they would take care of it no matter what. If someone exposes a cue to harsh temperature extremes they would be lucky if any cue didn't warp.

SW stores their wood and cut shafts and butts over a long period of time (their shaft wood is really good right now). Of course, any yahoo with online access can come on here and sling dirt (happens all the time here)...but it is unwarranted as far as the straightness or build quality of current South West cues.

Martin

I heard that about SW cues that not all are straight but I never new you could send it back for a repair , so how could they repair a warped butt? never mind the price wouldn't it have to be replaced! :confused:

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

Believe me SW quality control is as good as it gets. It is, in fact, one of the reasons the cues are so popular and command the prices they do. Laurie and the guys are extremely dedicated to producing a high quality product. Its like a religious practice over there! Highly unlikely that a crooked cue would ever leave the shop that way and if it did I'm certain they would take care of it no matter what. If someone exposes a cue to harsh temperature extremes they would be lucky if any cue didn't warp.

SW stores their wood and cut shafts and butts over a long period of time (their shaft wood is really good right now). Of course, any yahoo with online access can come on here and sling dirt (happens all the time here)...but it is unwarranted as far as the straightness or build quality of current South West cues.

Martin

I'M SURE THAT SW DOES ALL THEY CAN TO MAINTAIN QUALITY CONTROL. I'VE OWNED THREE SW'S AND REGRET TO SAY ALL THREE HOLD A ROLL IN THE BUTT. ALL THREE CAME FROM DIFFERENT ORIGINAL OWNERS SO THEY WEREN'T EXPOSED TO THE SAME CONDITIONS. MAYBE MY CASE/SITUATION IS OUT OF THE ORDINARY BUT IT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO ME.

 

[jazznpool]

No SW is not deliberately choosing to produce fewer cues. I'll just say that due to circumstances beyond control there have been limitations in the number of skilled labor hours available by current staff compared to previous times. SW is moving toward addressing the matter and I would expect cue output to increase somewhat down the road. Last I heard they were working on orders from 1997.

Martin

so then anyone who thought they were getting a cue in x years, now has to wait a few more years! this will no doubt make the secondary market a huge outlet.

why is production down if demand is still high? of their own choice?

 

[bruin70]

Believe me SW quality control is as good as it gets. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


Martin

i have to disagree from personnal experience. i bought an SW from vince that i complained about to laurie and had to eventually return. the grain was not straight, and laurie's excuse was that they test all their cues/shafts before they leave the shop. for me, there is no way around it,,,,,a crooked grain is a crooked grain.

that being said, i like the SW hit, don't get me wrong. i have owned three in the past. and how they have changed the face of cuemaking(at least to this consumer's taste) is almost revolutionary. somewhere along the line, though, they changed the template for their cues and are no longer building the same cue they did long ago,,,,,,,,,imo.

 

[pooldogue]

I heard that about SW cues that not all are straight but I never new you could send it back for a repair , so how could they repair a warped butt? never mind the price wouldn't it have to be replaced! :confused:

They do replace it , they cut it out and make it straight again......

 

[pooldogue]

Believe me SW quality control is as good as it gets. It is, in fact, one of the reasons the cues are so popular and command the prices they do. Laurie and the guys are extremely dedicated to producing a high quality product. Its like a religious practice over there! Highly unlikely that a crooked cue would ever leave the shop that way and if it did I'm certain they would take care of it no matter what. If someone exposes a cue to harsh temperature extremes they would be lucky if any cue didn't warp.

SW stores their wood and cut shafts and butts over a long period of time (their shaft wood is really good right now). Of course, any yahoo with online access can come on here and sling dirt (happens all the time here)...but it is unwarranted as far as the straightness or build quality of current South West cues.

Martin

Any YAHOO can also have an OPINION of his own and you dont like it you dont need to read it i geuss....... Im not saying yours is not staright im just saying in my experience with (them) i havent found to many of (them) to be straight and if im going to pay that much money for something you want it to be a nice playable cue dont you or do you want to stick it over the mantle and look at it...... Also if you have had many of (them) in the past you must have had warped cues i would bet on it...... Afriend of mine has two in his possesion rite now and wants to fix but doesnt want to wait the time frame Laurie gave and these are new pin number cues original owner and have been stored the same way right next to his ebony and ivory Mottey and thats still straight so ........................................................................... Im not trying to sling dirt merely stating my OPINION to the buying public in a public forum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank You

 

[Ktown D]

SW is moving toward addressing the matter and I would expect cue output to increase somewhat down the road. Last I heard they were working on orders from 1997.

Martin

I've talked to Laurie a few times in the last few months and they are expecting production to increase, although not dramarically, in the near future. They are curently, to the best of my understanding, working on orders from mid 98. They are about 4-5 months on refinish work. Just got mine back in june and worth the wait.

 

[Ktown D]

Deno,

An interesting situation happened up at the Super Billiards Expo this year. Jerry Franklin was obviously being inducted into the ACA HOF and Laurie and the SW folks were in attaendance for that. However, they were also going around from booth to booth lloking at cues. There were roughly 4-5 cues at various booths (including ours...Murphey Cues) being displayed and offered as a Kersenbrocks. According to them, there was only one true Kersenbrock in the house (and it happened to be quite an unattractive cue)...they said that the rest were early SWs.

It surprised me how they publicly went about knocking everyone's action on the Kersenbrock cues and somewhat "distancing" the company from DPK. It was also very insteresting to me that when asked, they would not reveal any reasoning for how they knew it was an old SW instead of a Kersenbrock. The response was...."well, we just know".

Surely in the early days Dave was working alongside Jerry in the shop building cues, as well. Now I have heard of a few instances where the same cue was verified by both DPK and Laurie as a Kersenbrock and SW, respectively. How do you explain that one?

I'm curious if anyone knows definitely an ID technique for telling the difference. If the SW folks are so proud to call the Kersenbrocks early SWs, then why would they not reveal any identification hints ???

Sean

Same situation with my SW/Kers. It has been identified by 2 reputable cue dealers( if there actually is. not trying to be rude but I know profit is the name of the game) as a Kers cue based on the style and the pin. I sent it off to SW to be identified and refinished and was given a letter of authenticity as an early SW (approx 84-85).It is a solid purple heart no point cue with brown phenolic at butt and joint. It has the pin with the open end and the weird thing is a SW shaft will fit the pin but the shaft will not fit my other SW's. I haven't seen any other SW's like this. I was told that was a pin design that was used for about a year or so. Regardless, I do not plan on relinquishing ownership so the info was basically for personal reasons but I would like to know a clear answer. Does anyone have the email addy for Ed Young so I can shoot him some pics. Maybe DPK can shed some light and clear it up for good. Either way I have an old collectable cue in mint shape and even though it plays second to none it is retired for now.

 

[bruin70]

Same situation with my SW/Kers. It has been identified by 2 reputable cue dealers( if there actually is. not trying to be rude but I know profit is the name of the game) as a Kers cue based on the style and the pin. I sent it off to SW to be identified and refinished and was given a letter of authenticity as an early SW (approx 84-85).It is a solid purple heart no point cue with brown phenolic at butt and joint. It has the pin with the open end and the weird thing is a SW shaft will fit the pin but the shaft will not fit my other SW's. I haven't seen any other SW's like this. I was told that was a pin design that was used for about a year or so. Regardless, I do not plan on relinquishing ownership so the info was basically for personal reasons but I would like to know a clear answer. Does anyone have the email addy for Ed Young so I can shoot him some pics. Maybe DPK can shed some light and clear it up for good. Either way I have an old collectable cue in mint shape and even though it plays second to none it is retired for now.

yes i do. check your PM.

ed, however, is horridly bad at responding either to phone or email, so it is somewhat akin to late 1800's communication. phone,,,forget it! email,,,,MAYBE one or two weeks! and i've known him for 13 years! i can honestly say "GOOD LUCK"

 

[jazznpool]

Cue is sold (as priced) and gone. Thanks.

still available