Ok After seeing this beauty I'm sold! Leon is making my next cue....unless I hit the lotto then this baby is mine! 
Fs:szamboti tribute by: Sly.
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i build what i like witch is old school design that's my style of builds i ain't breaking any ones arm here to like what i do...if you don't like my cues don't look at them simple as that....have a great day.
Do you have the exact copy of this one? I would love to see that one...bet that it would cost a little more than $3800.
Many cuemakers can build similar cues, but they will never quite be what the true masters built. Personally, i see these "tribute" cues as being just that. No one is ever truly going to believe that this is a Szamboti, that others are Ginas, etc. Leon said up front what this cue was...an inspiration from one of the greatest of all time.
The master's cues stand on their own merit. If a cuemaker builds a cue that has similar designs as one of the master's cues and calls it a tribute i think thhat is what it is. The master's cue is the benchmark...that which all others are measured against. Few, if any, ever reach that benchmark.
Joe
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Great work!
Sly, i'm just saying you did a hellava job on this cue. Im just saying that the cue looks fantastic and I bet the hit is right there too. I'm just saying, you deserve a little more for the hard work, time, and skill set to pull off such a beautiful cue. Can you say elite? Just saying.
Sly, i'm just saying you did a hellava job on this cue. Im just saying that the cue looks fantastic and I bet the hit is right there too. I'm just saying, you deserve a little more for the hard work, time, and skill set to pull off such a beautiful cue. Can you say elite? Just saying.
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I hardly ever post on here. Now I feel like I will.
This post is a joke. Can't we all say that every cue sort of looks like another somewhere at sometime? They all have originality of some sort and yet they all have similarities to one another. A model T is a very old automobile. Take any car made today or 100 years ago. They are all based on the same principal. Steering mechanism of some kind, wheels, propulsion method, etc. You get the point sunshine. Take anything engineered and it will be similar today but REFINED.
You are taking somewhat of a low blow and giving a backhanded compliment. Especially with your innocent, "just sayin". No, you aren't "just sayin" anything. You are politely busting on his work and I think that makes you an asshole. I have seen his gallery and not everything is a tribute to anyone. I have seen plenty of other tribute cues on this site and never a bad comment from anyone, but now here is you.
That tribute is one of THE best looking cues I have ever seen (yes, my opinion). I don't care if it looks like A, B, or C. It is just damn nice and a fine piece of work.
Maybe you should build some cues so I can take a close look at your work.
I vote for a repost of the pictures also. I love that cue Leon. Post her up again please.
I agree...repost the pix.
For some reason, a couple of folks took issue with my statement on here below:
"Do you have the exact copy of this one? I would love to see that one...bet that it would cost a little more than $3800.
Many cuemakers can build similar cues, but they will never quite be what the true masters built. Personally, i see these "tribute" cues as being just that. No one is ever truly going to believe that this is a Szamboti, that others are Ginas, etc. Leon said up front what this cue was...an inspiration from one of the greatest of all time.
The master's cues stand on their own merit. If a cuemaker builds a cue that has similar designs as one of the master's cues and calls it a tribute i think thhat is what it is. The master's cue is the benchmark...that which all others are measured against. Few, if any, ever reach that benchmark."
I am sorry if anyone was offended by that, but I still believe it.
Finally, I was sent a list of what I assume are Gus Szamboti original cues as proof that Leon steals designs. I will admit to everyone on AZB that while I have owned literally thousands of cues, I have NEVER owned a Gus Szamboti (really wish I did)...I simply can't afford one.
However, if the pix I was sent (see below) are evidence of Leon Sly's "design theft", then we have a WHOLE LOT of design thiefs in the cuebuilding business.
Leon is my friend...a friend who happens to build cues for a living.
Thanks, Joe
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For some reason, a couple of folks took issue with my statement on here below:
"Do you have the exact copy of this one? I would love to see that one...bet that it would cost a little more than $3800.
Many cuemakers can build similar cues, but they will never quite be what the true masters built. Personally, i see these "tribute" cues as being just that. No one is ever truly going to believe that this is a Szamboti, that others are Ginas, etc. Leon said up front what this cue was...an inspiration from one of the greatest of all time.
The master's cues stand on their own merit. If a cuemaker builds a cue that has similar designs as one of the master's cues and calls it a tribute i think thhat is what it is. The master's cue is the benchmark...that which all others are measured against. Few, if any, ever reach that benchmark."
I am sorry if anyone was offended by that, but I still believe it.
Finally, I was sent a list of what I assume are Gus Szamboti original cues as proof that Leon steals designs. I will admit to everyone on AZB that while I have owned literally thousands of cues, I have NEVER owned a Gus Szamboti (really wish I did)...I simply can't afford one.
However, if the pix I was sent (see below) are evidence of Leon Sly's "design theft", then we have a WHOLE LOT of design thiefs in the cuebuilding business.
Leon is my friend...a friend who happens to build cues for a living.
Thanks, Joe
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Nicely put, Joe.
Does anyone know which cue-maker copyrighted fancy, etched diamond inlays, or ivory propellors, or barbells or peacocks and who has the copyright on 6 point cue designs or 8 pointers, and how about veneers?
My point is "Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery." seems appropriate. Cue-makers have been copying cue designs and cue construction ideas from one another for decades. It's absolutely infuriating to think that someone would copy your creative ideas for a cue design but that's just life. Car makers do it, appliance & furniture makers do it, everyone does it....unless it's against the law and copying a pool cue design isn't. Mr. Sly made a beautiful cue.....that's plainly obvious .....hands down winner in the looks department. I can't comment about its playability as I've never owned a Leon Sly pool cue. But his cue-making certainly deserves being considered.......Wow.
There are very few new designs in pool cues that have not been previously attempted by a cue-maker somewhere down thru the years. In fact, I'd wager there aren't "any" new designs in the last 75 years of cue-making that weren't previously attempted. Cue-makers might tweak a design feature here and there but basically it's recycled cue designs that the cue-maker has changed slightly to make the design more distinctive. Maybe the cue-maker borrows a little of this from cue-maker A and a little of that from cu-maker B etc and comes up with a design incorporating several different cue-maker designs. I just did that with a cue I'm having made. I included photos of several different cue-makers' cues and took a little something from several cues to come up with my design for a cue. I'm sure that when a cue-maker sees something they admire in a cue design, the natural tendency is to see what they can come up with using that design style for a cue.
So getting back to Leon Sly, he does not need defending........he makes beautiful cues based upon photos I've seen.......the cue in question is indeed gorgeous......and Mr. Sly is not doing anything that hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands, of cue-makers have done throughout pool cue history.......Keep it Up Leon because you sure do make damn handsome pool cues. And by the way, my Paul Mottey cue is a dead ringer for the several Gus Szamboti cues in the photo.....mine has 8 points, piloted ivory joint, 58 identical ivory inlays, etc...........was Paul Mottey unscrupulous in any way by copying Gus's design for a pool cue since my Mottey cue is a dead ringer for those Szamboti cues posted in this thread????? NOPE and neither is any other cue-maker that copies another cue-maker's cue design.
My point is "Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery." seems appropriate. Cue-makers have been copying cue designs and cue construction ideas from one another for decades. It's absolutely infuriating to think that someone would copy your creative ideas for a cue design but that's just life. Car makers do it, appliance & furniture makers do it, everyone does it....unless it's against the law and copying a pool cue design isn't. Mr. Sly made a beautiful cue.....that's plainly obvious .....hands down winner in the looks department. I can't comment about its playability as I've never owned a Leon Sly pool cue. But his cue-making certainly deserves being considered.......Wow.
There are very few new designs in pool cues that have not been previously attempted by a cue-maker somewhere down thru the years. In fact, I'd wager there aren't "any" new designs in the last 75 years of cue-making that weren't previously attempted. Cue-makers might tweak a design feature here and there but basically it's recycled cue designs that the cue-maker has changed slightly to make the design more distinctive. Maybe the cue-maker borrows a little of this from cue-maker A and a little of that from cu-maker B etc and comes up with a design incorporating several different cue-maker designs. I just did that with a cue I'm having made. I included photos of several different cue-makers' cues and took a little something from several cues to come up with my design for a cue. I'm sure that when a cue-maker sees something they admire in a cue design, the natural tendency is to see what they can come up with using that design style for a cue.
So getting back to Leon Sly, he does not need defending........he makes beautiful cues based upon photos I've seen.......the cue in question is indeed gorgeous......and Mr. Sly is not doing anything that hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands, of cue-makers have done throughout pool cue history.......Keep it Up Leon because you sure do make damn handsome pool cues. And by the way, my Paul Mottey cue is a dead ringer for the several Gus Szamboti cues in the photo.....mine has 8 points, piloted ivory joint, 58 identical ivory inlays, etc...........was Paul Mottey unscrupulous in any way by copying Gus's design for a pool cue since my Mottey cue is a dead ringer for those Szamboti cues posted in this thread????? NOPE and neither is any other cue-maker that copies another cue-maker's cue design.
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Me
LEON is a GREAT person who makes cues with passion, loves talking about what he does, respect everyone no mettar who they are ...
PLEASE POST THAT BEAUTY BACK ON AZ ...
That's your work, your passion, your love for the game and the ART of cue making....
You are one GREAT cue maker my friend, and I owned a few of your cues ( love every single one)...
Keep up the good work and let us enjoy it...:thumbup:
BR
CLEITON ROCHA
LEON is a GREAT person who makes cues with passion, loves talking about what he does, respect everyone no mettar who they are ...
PLEASE POST THAT BEAUTY BACK ON AZ ...
That's your work, your passion, your love for the game and the ART of cue making....
You are one GREAT cue maker my friend, and I owned a few of your cues ( love every single one)...
Keep up the good work and let us enjoy it...:thumbup:
BR
CLEITON ROCHA
Balabushka, Szamboti, Paradise, Brunswick, not sure who made the first ever 6 or 8 pointers, Brunswick
[Disclaimer: I'm kidding]
Brunswick stole the show 80 years ago with veneered 4 pointers, and people have been glamming them up ever since!
I don't understand this nonsense
This negative crap does not belong in a FS thread! Leon tries to sell
a masterful cue that he put a lot of work into and instead he gets
bashed for "design theft"? These forums are evolving into a breeding
ground for unnecessary controversy. If you don't have anything nice
to say in a FS thread, please keep it to yourself, simple as that.
Good luck with the sale Leon, please post the pics back up, that cue
is a work of art and it deserves to be showcased, not criticized.
This negative crap does not belong in a FS thread! Leon tries to sell
a masterful cue that he put a lot of work into and instead he gets
bashed for "design theft"? These forums are evolving into a breeding
ground for unnecessary controversy. If you don't have anything nice
to say in a FS thread, please keep it to yourself, simple as that.
Good luck with the sale Leon, please post the pics back up, that cue
is a work of art and it deserves to be showcased, not criticized.
Are you sure?
Lmfao
Just to clarify a small part of this post.....
I know for a fact Ron Can afford anything on this site, he owns searing szam tucker and many of them , as well as the some of the finest Justis Exotic/Tooled cases made... list goes on.
Just to clarify a small part of this post.....
I know for a fact Ron Can afford anything on this site, he owns searing szam tucker and many of them , as well as the some of the finest Justis Exotic/Tooled cases made... list goes on.