Full Backswing Before Pulling the Trigger?

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A friend and I traveled to Greenwood, SC to Slate Billiards to watch the GSBT tournament this last weekend. There were no AA players, only As and a whole bunch of Bs. On the way home Saturday evening we both remarked at the fact that all the players we watched did not make a full backswing {pulling the cue to the tip or even to the ferrule} before the final stroke. Now, I'm aware that a great many of the 44 or so players were bar table players playing on big tables but I don't think that really had anything to do with it.
When I fail to pull the cue back to the ferrule on the final stroke I'm much more likely to miss the shot and/or position for the next shot.
So, do you take a full backswing and follow through to the end of your stroke? I know that on some shots you want to pull up a bit, depending on how far your expect the cue ball to travel but I'm talking about for the most part.
 
Maybe it has something to do with bridge length. I have a comfortable back swing, but I doubt I pull back to the ferrule, my arm isn't that long. Do what feels comfortable for you.

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I use a pretty long bridge but I probably dont use but about 6 to 8 inches of backswing on my final stroke even though my bridge lenght is over 12 inches most of the time
 
Are we allowed to pull her?

What dance are we dancing?

Does she even like to dance?

Lou Figueroa
so many questions
 
Pulling the cue all the way back is very overrated in my opinion. I feel its more difficult to control the speed of the cue ball when pulling the cue all the way back.
 
when I have a large back swing, I actually start to pull the cue off line. So I have a measured backswing and dont go beyond that. I shot better and straight without the extended backswing.
 
It depends on the shot. To hit a ball 3" away from the CB doesn't work. If I want to hit a ball soft a full swing for me doesn't work.

Was told to use a full back swing on every shot. I will use it for my warm ups to make sure that I am on line and then adjust to a shorter stroke if needed.

Doesn't make me right. I just feel more comfortable with using a shorter back swing on certain shots,
 
It's a matter of trust. When you have some doubt about the straightness of your own stroke, and you just want to cinch the ball, you pull back only a little hoping that the short distance the stick travels means it doesn't have much room to get out of line and hit off to the side. At least that's what's in my head.

When you fully trust the straightness of your stroke you don't mind going way back, though nobody wants to feel like the stick may slip out.

Shane is a great example of someone with maximum trust in his stroke. If he wobbled one degree during his swing, he'd prolly hit a full tip off center with that giant bridge length.
 
Energy transfer is best understood and explained from the perspective of martial arts. As a beginner, you will feel the need to 'crank up' or 'wind up' more and that is because you don't fully understand where the energy comes from. You try to find that power from 'outside yourself'.

When you discover the importance of balance and focusing yourself to be in the moment, you learn to 'quiet your mind' and eventually harness the power achieved through the combination of accuracy and timing. The more accurate, and well synchronized, the less actual power is needed. In golf, you can hit the ball further and straighter with a half backswing impacted on the sweet spot that a full backswing impacted outside of the sweet spot. In martial art, you can totally paralyze your opponent with a single strike no stronger than a poke of a finger if applied in the right place at the right time, under total self-control without the fear of getting hurt.

As a person grows in skill, less physical movement is required, and more can be accomplished with less effort, therefore revealing real mastery, thus unlocking the true potential of the mind.

The idea of 'if it feels good to you do it' appeals, to you, don't give into that too much. That isn't necessarily all there is to it. You have to fundamentally do things the right way and within that, you should learn to trust yourself after you have trained yourself in the fundamentals so much to the point there is no need to act without thinking.

Now, to answer your question, how far you ultimately pull the cue back is in direct reference as to how far you want the cue ball to travel. You must hit the 'entire shot' and stroke though as if you were moving the cue ball through it's total distance of travel. To accomplish this, you need to have a fundamentally sound stroke that is straight, repeatable, and dependable.

Pushout said:
A friend and I traveled to Greenwood, SC to Slate Billiards to watch the GSBT tournament this last weekend. There were no AA players, only As and a whole bunch of Bs. On the way home Saturday evening we both remarked at the fact that all the players we watched did not make a full backswing {pulling the cue to the tip or even to the ferrule} before the final stroke. Now, I'm aware that a great many of the 44 or so players were bar table players playing on big tables but I don't think that really had anything to do with it.
When I fail to pull the cue back to the ferrule on the final stroke I'm much more likely to miss the shot and/or position for the next shot.
So, do you take a full backswing and follow through to the end of your stroke? I know that on some shots you want to pull up a bit, depending on how far your expect the cue ball to travel but I'm talking about for the most part.
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SK Custom Cues said:
Energy transfer is best understood and explained from the perspective of martial arts. As a beginner, you will feel the need to 'crank up' or 'wind up' more and that is because you don't fully understand where the energy comes from. You try to find that power from 'outside yourself'.

When you discover the importance of balance and focusing yourself to be in the moment, you learn to 'quiet your mind' and eventually harness the power achieved through the combination of accuracy and timing. The more accurate, and well synchronized, the less actual power is needed. In golf, you can hit the ball further and straighter with a half backswing impacted on the sweet spot that a full backswing impacted outside of the sweet spot. In martial art, you can totally paralyze your opponent with a single strike no stronger than a poke of a finger if applied in the right place at the right time, under total self-control without the fear of getting hurt.

As a person grows in skill, less physical movement is required, and more can be accomplished with less effort, therefore revealing real mastery, thus unlocking the true potential of the mind.

The idea of 'if it feels good to you do it' appeals, to you, don't give into that too much. That isn't necessarily all there is to it. You have to fundamentally do things the right way and within that, you should learn to trust yourself after you have trained yourself in the fundamentals so much to the point there is no need to act without thinking.

Now, to answer your question, how far you ultimately pull the cue back is in direct reference as to how far you want the cue ball to travel. You must hit the 'entire shot' and stroke though as if you were moving the cue ball through it's total distance of travel. To accomplish this, you need to have a fundamentally sound stroke that is straight, repeatable, and dependable.
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Tap, Tap, Tap ^^
your last sentence nails anyway always the point-no straight and repeatable stroke-----> no discussion worth about most other problems:D

lg
Ingo
 
From my experience by far the most ppl have at least a much too fast * last * backswing and this is the reason they re comin out of their straight-line.
The faster and harder you shoot, the less accouracy you have- that s normal.

lg
Ingo
 
I have no idea if I do that or not, but I'm not sure ferrule to bridge is a standard judgement of full stroke. For me full stroke is all in the feel of the back arm/hand, so I think you may be misidentifying what is happening.

In addition, usually warm up strokes go from fast, long and furious down to a slow controlled stroke, pause to aim and then fire the shot.

So, naturally, the shot stroke is the shortest and most controlled.
 
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