Full splice jig

Full Four Splice cues compared to Half Splice Cues

Hi, god it's early in the morning - too early to be on AZ

I just want to "throw in my two cents" as a lowly, struggling cue maker who made a hell of a lot more money with a "traditional job".

I must say that I agree that the old-fashioned full four splice cue if constructed well can be an exceptionally good working pool cue. However, let's not forget that a cue maker who can assemble a beautiful and great playing multi-pointed half splice pool cue should be and deserves very high praise for his/her developed skills, patience and discipline.

I also believe there are several other variables that produce a great hitting pool cue including:

(a) Shaft taper & length
(b) Tip type and quality
(c) Joint Pin and Joint
(d) And, quite possibly, the type of wood used in the forearm and
whether or not the cue is cored. I really do believe that coring
most exotic woods with a good and accurately, patiently turned,
and properly glued maple core and properly weighted and
balanced "Can" produce a pool cue which will rival any other cue,
e.g. Full Four Spliced. I do admit that I now have figured out
a practical and consistent method to make a full four splice cue
butt and I really love my full four splice Purple heart cue with a
"special" tapered" Purple Heart Shaft". I currently am playing with
one which I installed about 4 inches of small diameter phenolic rod
into the end of the Purple Heart Shaft, then milled a strong tenon
with the excess Phenolic and applied a "Bone" (Very Hard) ferule
and a Water Buffalo tip. Wow! What a Break Cue.
(e) Now, all I have to do is play better; the four surgeries in the
year, including a left wrist reconstruction, an upper neck C3-C7
fusion with titanium Pins and Screws and two low back
surgeries, the last one on July 18th, 2011 involving multiple
fusions of the L3 - S1, Titanium Pins, Rods and Screws have
all but destroyed my playing cue building and retail billiard store

Anyway, that's my "two-cents" - Just check out Joe Callalucca and Tony Zinsola's cues if you want to see quality workmanship and beauty.

Len Van Hirtum
Van Hirtum Hirtum Custom Cues: http://www.vanhirtumcustomcues.com
Break and Run Biilliards.com: http://www.breakandrunbilliards.com
Store Phone: 603.943.5643

Have a Great Columbus day and weekend
 
Len, You will recall my phone call to you last year when I ask you politely to stop using my photos, of cues I made, on your website. Remember?

It was late in the evening and you apologized profusely, even stating that you were embarrassed over the matter and that your "web master" was the guilty party. So who is the guilty party now???

YOU NOW HAVE MY PHOTOS, OF TWO CUES I MADE FOR MY CUSTOMERS, POSTED ON YOUR WEB SITE AGAIN!!! YOU EVEN STATE ON YOUR SITE THAT THESE ARE "Previously Completed Cues by Van Hirtum Custom Cues". IS IT THAT YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF MAKING A CUE TO SHOW, OR DO YOU JUST PREFER TAKING THE EASY WAY BY USING OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY WITHOUT PERMISSION.

THE TWO PHOTOS YOU HORKED FROM MY WEB SITE ARE:
http://waynecustomcues.com/BH_2005_5ad.JPG
AND
http://waynecustomcues.com/ad-Pb280001.JPG
UNLIKE LAST YEAR, THIS TIME YOU AT LEAST CHANGED THE FILE NAME,
(OR WAS IT YOUR "WEB MASTER" THAT CHANGED THE FILE NAME??? MAY I SUGGEST THE NEXT TIME YOU USE ANOTHER CUE MAKERS PHOTOS WITHOUT PERMISSION, YOU AT LEAST DOCTOR THE PHOTOS TO CHANGE THE WOOD GRAIN AND LIGHT REFLECTION!!!

YOU HAVE 24 HOURS (SAYING THIS POLITELY AGAIN) TO REMOVE THOSE PHOTOS FROM YOUR WEB SITE. IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO, WELL, LET'S JUST SAY I"LL DO WHATEVER I NEED TO DO TO REMEDY THE SITUATION.

I TRUST THERE WILL NOT BE A THIRD INCIDENT.


lenvanhirtum said:
Hi, god it's early in the morning - too early to be on AZ

I just want to "throw in my two cents" as a lowly, struggling cue maker who made a hell of a lot more money with a "traditional job".

I must say that I agree that the old-fashioned full four splice cue if constructed well can be an exceptionally good working pool cue. However, let's not forget that a cue maker who can assemble a beautiful and great playing multi-pointed half splice pool cue should be and deserves very high praise for his/her developed skills, patience and discipline.

I also believe there are several other variables that produce a great hitting pool cue including:

(a) Shaft taper & length
(b) Tip type and quality
(c) Joint Pin and Joint
(d) And, quite possibly, the type of wood used in the forearm and
whether or not the cue is cored. I really do believe that coring
most exotic woods with a good and accurately, patiently turned,
and properly glued maple core and properly weighted and
balanced "Can" produce a pool cue which will rival any other cue,
e.g. Full Four Spliced. I do admit that I now have figured out
a practical and consistent method to make a full four splice cue
butt and I really love my full four splice Purple heart cue with a
"special" tapered" Purple Heart Shaft". I currently am playing with
one which I installed about 4 inches of small diameter phenolic rod
into the end of the Purple Heart Shaft, then milled a strong tenon
with the excess Phenolic and applied a "Bone" (Very Hard) ferule
and a Water Buffalo tip. Wow! What a Break Cue.
(e) Now, all I have to do is play better; the four surgeries in the
year, including a left wrist reconstruction, an upper neck C3-C7
fusion with titanium Pins and Screws and two low back
surgeries, the last one on July 18th, 2011 involving multiple
fusions of the L3 - S1, Titanium Pins, Rods and Screws have
all but destroyed my playing cue building and retail billiard store

Anyway, that's my "two-cents" - Just check out Joe Callalucca and Tony Zinsola's cues if you want to see quality workmanship and beauty.

Len Van Hirtum
Van Hirtum Hirtum Custom Cues: http://www.vanhirtumcustomcues.com
Break and Run Biilliards.com: http://www.breakandrunbilliards.com
Store Phone: 603.943.5643

Have a Great Columbus day and weekend
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An apology is in order Len

Just a short follow up Len. I have saved a copy of your Gallery showing MY PHOTOS OF MY CUES to my hard drive...Just in case your "web master" chooses to deny what I posted above being true.

Have a nice day.
 
Wow. It's bad enough people routinely steal from photographers by copying images off website, but to take credit for building something they didn't make and then have the audacity to use the true maker's website photo? Just using the photo without permission is a crime and can be punishable with damages in the 10's of thousands.

I'd say this would never really happen, but unless I am really confused this time......well, I saw it for myself...

I hope all of this is resolved ASAP.
 
You're not the only one

This got me curious as I hear from Len off & on. When I started to read his Cue Pricing page, it sounded eerily familiar. It's as though he started following the general format of my pricing page, paraphrasing loosely and then decided 'just go ahead & copy it'. It's very close to mine until you get down a ways.

His 5th paragraph on this page:

http://www.vanhirtumcustomcues.com/cue pricing/default.html

is identical to the 9th paragraph on my page:

http://www.dzcues.com/prices.html

I know I didn't copy from him & I find it very unlikely that he coincidentally chose the same words I did.

I gave him a lot of advice, even giving him complete, fully functional CNC programs to help him along. I'm very disappointed in him. This takes "design theft" to a whole 'nuther level.
 
There's only one way it can be resolved to my satisfaction.
That is by the man removing my photos from his web site and posting a public apology for his actions. I won't accept anything less!!!

pescadoman said:
Wow. It's bad enough people routinely steal from photographers by copying images off website, but to take credit for building something they didn't make and then have the audacity to use the true maker's website photo? Just using the photo without permission is a crime and can be punishable with damages in the 10's of thousands.

I'd say this would never really happen, but unless I am really confused this time......well, I saw it for myself...

I hope all of this is resolved ASAP.
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Wayne-Holmes said:
The photos in question are the 8th & 9th from the top in my Cue Gallery @http://waynecustomcues.com/index1.html

Len Van Hurtum is showing them in his Gallery @ http://www.vanhirtumcustomcues.com/cue gallery/default.html

To quote Californias Governor; "I'll be back" (Len)
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well, that's a new alltime low
talk about balls
or just flat out stupidity
noticed that they all say SOLD , to boost future sales?
wayne, i hope you get this fraud resolved , whoever the culprit is
 
LMAO!!!! I like how he offers a Kamui for $30.....yet he prices a SuperPro at $40. SuperPro's are one of the absolute cheapest layered tips...I think the last ones I bought were a buck each.:rolleyes:
 
I think Wayne's thread should go up under Main Forum, Cue Gallery or WTS section...there's not enough impact posting here since regular buyers won't know Len's a fraud as most guys like myself don't wonder into this section? Just my 2 cents.
 
Wayne-Holmes said:
The photos in question are the 8th & 9th from the top in my Cue Gallery @http://waynecustomcues.com/index1.html

Len Van Hurtum is showing them in his Gallery @ http://www.vanhirtumcustomcues.com/cue gallery/default.html

To quote Californias Governor; "I'll be back" (Len)
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After this post I tried to compare again, and his site came up that time But Yours timed out on Me, so I still could not compare them, now I can see them, and see Your gripe, I can see no difference in those pictures. I know some of us borrow ideas, maybe even add our little improvements, design changes, and what not, but to blatantly copy another man's photos and call the cues his own, that is not only going to far, but flat out going overboard. From the pictures It looks like he has much more equipment then I, and some others do, so I don't even understand the need to copy someone's Pictures. As nice and clean as Your work looks, those 2 cues do not look out of the capability of the machinery that he has in His pictures. I should be able to build something real close with My limited equipment if I wanted to. Someone could still argue design theft I suppose but with the cues in question, (especially the plain jane design), the argument would not be as strong as flat out posting pictures of another makers cues and claiming them as your own. I guess I just don't don't see the logic in it.

Good luck with, I hope the situation is resolved quickly a peacefully as It should be. Those pictures should have been removed by now.
 
Cue Crazy said:
After this post I tried to compare again, and his site came up that time But Yours timed out on Me, so I still could not compare them, now I can see them, and see Your gripe, I can see no difference in those pictures. I know some of us borrow ideas, maybe even add our little improvements, design changes, and what not, but to blatantly copy another man's photos and call the cues his own, that is not only going to far, but flat out going overboard. From the pictures It looks like he has much more equipment then I, and some others do, so I don't even understand the need to copy someone's Pictures. As nice and clean as Your work looks, those 2 cues do not look out of the capability of the machinery that he has in His pictures. I should be able to build something real close with My limited equipment if I wanted to. Someone could still argue design theft I suppose but with the cues in question, (especially the plain jane design), the argument would not be as strong as flat out posting pictures of another makers cues and claiming them as your own. I guess I just don't don't see the logic in it.

Good luck with, I hope the situation is resolved quickly a peacefully as It should be. Those pictures should have been removed by now.
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i only see two
how many are stolen pics?
 
BHQ said:
i only see two
how many are stolen pics?
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That's all I see Brent. The 2 cues in question that Wayne posted. I don't know if any of the others are stolen or not. I'm just going by the same info as You and what is posted here.
 
Cue Crazy said:
That's all I see Brent. The 2 cues in question that Wayne posted. I don't know if any of the others are stolen or not. I'm just going by the same info as You and what is posted here.
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yeah, now i see that wayne said two
 
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