Gareth Potts vs SVB.. who wins?

Out of a couple of hundred thousand regular blackball pool players at least, how many are living in the USA?

Three/four?

And which top ones at what discipline? American pool? There are only a few thousand of them, tops, in the whole of the UK.

Your figures are a bit out there mate - I'd say there are 2/300 serious American pool players max, and are you sure there are that many blackball players? I was under the impression BB is still a looong way behind World rules in popularity, but am happy to be corrected.
 
Chinese 8 ball - Coin toss?

I don't see that as a coin toss at all. His demolition of Melling was something else, and let's not forget Melling's history and pedigree. Someone without an English/Chinese pool background will take a long time to get competitive with Potts, I'd say.
 
No you don't, or they would. SVB will pretty much take any game. Your just talking tough. You can get all the action you want from Shane. All you need to do is ask.

The next logical question is, "Well why doesn't it happen then???????" Because people aren't usually that mad at there wallets.

Look deep in your wallet and find some heart...

Dude? English Blackball? Are you really going to sit there and state for SVB that he "will" take action playing that game against the worlds best at it?

You might want to check with SVB on that one first, I am pretty sure he will correct you on that because Blackball pool is nothing like what SVB is used to and he knows as well as anyone that the best in the world at that game would slaughter him. He can get a $50,000 match in England in a heartbeat in that game if Marsman really wants to fly SVB over and try it out.
 
Forget Potts, I'd love to get SVB in a room for cash at English 8 ball (black ball).

If you are talking a true "room full of cash" then there we go.

That should be the end of the thread chit chat. Where is Marsman? There is the Blackball action. Everyone who thinks SVB can win in any game, Voiceofreason wants him on a Blackball table.

Pool together your money

send SVB over the pond

profit.

Honestly, on a Blackball table in England SVB will have a lineup of people waiting to try him. He can start low and work his way all the way up to Potts.

If SVB EVER wants more action then he knows what to do with then all he has to do is go to Europe and hang out on a Blackball table or a Snooker table. He will have action for life. The only problem is he might not like it.

SVB basically has to be willing to man up and do what Appleton did. Change from the game he grew up with, move overseas, and start competing and climbing the ladder in the new game. Appleton managed to become a multi-time world champ doing just that. Can SVB make the trip in the other direction with nearly as much success? There is certainly some rewards for him if he wants to give it a shot in between his American pool events.

People here in America always think that the foreign players should come over to America and prove themselves in American games on American soil. Guess what, planes fly both directions, and it is a lot easier to get played if you are willing to do the traveling.

Road players of old used to travel into other peoples turf to get action, now America, the birthplace of the road players and that way of life think all the action should come to them. Plane are the new cars, England, the Philippines, and Asia are the new towns with the top local talent. Get out there and get the action like the old guys did. Don't wait for it to come to you, go get the money.
 
Just an amusing anecdote for ya, Mizerak was in the UK late 80's. He played a local (non ranked) at English 8 ball for 50 a game, local beats him 10 zip oh how we laughed. :lol:

Not so sure what is laughable about that.
The Miz loved straight pool...some people say he would have surpassed
Mosconi if he game had remained popular.

Yet he played a lot of games....even 3-cushion.
He played in some group snooker games in Canada also.
He was willing to try a lot of things....and he was smart enough to know
he was not going to be successful at them all.

..and he didn't play with one foot out the door....how many neophytes
are going to stick it out to lose 10 in a row?

I tried one game of it by myself....I gave up.
 
So the best US player at the moment needs to have it weighted in his favour 3 out of the 4 sets?

What are we being told about his ability really then?

So the best UK player needs to play HIS games then? What does that tell about his ability?

See how easy it is to say things like this. What would happen if Shane played Tiger Woods in golf and pool? They can play 10 ball, 8 ball, 1 pocket and one round of golf. Who would win more matches? Hm...
 
So the best UK player needs to play HIS games then? What does that tell about his ability?

See how easy it is to say things like this. What would happen if Shane played Tiger Woods in golf and pool? They can play 10 ball, 8 ball, 1 pocket and one round of golf. Who would win more matches? Hm...

Potts is the best in the world at disciplines played on different sized tables, with different sized balls. I don't think you lot understand this. This is not merely bar box to 9 foot Diamond we are talking about here.

You boy is welcome to try his luck at English pool or snooker any time he wants. He would be wasting his time, however, for he is simply not good enough to do so.
 
Not so sure what is laughable about that.
The Miz loved straight pool...some people say he would have surpassed
Mosconi if he game had remained popular.

Yet he played a lot of games....even 3-cushion.
He played in some group snooker games in Canada also.
He was willing to try a lot of things....and he was smart enough to know
he was not going to be successful at them all.

..and he didn't play with one foot out the door....how many neophytes
are going to stick it out to lose 10 in a row?

I tried one game of it by myself....I gave up.

Well you know we were young and children can be cruel.
Still no where near as funny as the AZB rednecks on here that have SVB beating everyone at every cue-sport known to man but hey that's the American way isn't it to make someone world champ without ever having played the rest of the world.
 
Your figures are a bit out there mate - I'd say there are 2/300 serious American pool players max, and are you sure there are that many blackball players? I was under the impression BB is still a looong way behind World rules in popularity, but am happy to be corrected.

I was rolling up all forms of English pool into the term blackball for ease of understanding for our colonial cousins.

Besides, world rules is easily the smallest of the three codes (black ball, world rules and old epa rules)
 
If you are talking a true "room full of cash" then there we go.

That should be the end of the thread chit chat. Where is Marsman? There is the Blackball action. Everyone who thinks SVB can win in any game, Voiceofreason wants him on a Blackball table.

Pool together your money

send SVB over the pond

profit.

Honestly, on a Blackball table in England SVB will have a lineup of people waiting to try him. He can start low and work his way all the way up to Potts.

If SVB EVER wants more action then he knows what to do with then all he has to do is go to Europe and hang out on a Blackball table or a Snooker table. He will have action for life. The only problem is he might not like it.

SVB basically has to be willing to man up and do what Appleton did. Change from the game he grew up with, move overseas, and start competing and climbing the ladder in the new game. Appleton managed to become a multi-time world champ doing just that. Can SVB make the trip in the other direction with nearly as much success? There is certainly some rewards for him if he wants to give it a shot in between his American pool events.

People here in America always think that the foreign players should come over to America and prove themselves in American games on American soil. Guess what, planes fly both directions, and it is a lot easier to get played if you are willing to do the traveling.

Road players of old used to travel into other peoples turf to get action, now America, the birthplace of the road players and that way of life think all the action should come to them. Plane are the new cars, England, the Philippines, and Asia are the new towns with the top local talent. Get out there and get the action like the old guys did. Don't wait for it to come to you, go get the money.

I meant I would happily play SVB for cash at blackball. He's clueless at the game - let alone the rest lol..
 
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So the best UK player needs to play HIS games then? What does that tell about his ability?

See how easy it is to say things like this. What would happen if Shane played Tiger Woods in golf and pool? They can play 10 ball, 8 ball, 1 pocket and one round of golf. Who would win more matches? Hm...

That was my point lol...

IIRC neither player has said anything in actual fact!
 
Give Shane a break (no pun intended)

If you are talking a true "room full of cash" then there we go.

That should be the end of the thread chit chat. Where is Marsman? There is the Blackball action. Everyone who thinks SVB can win in any game, Voiceofreason wants him on a Blackball table.

Pool together your money

send SVB over the pond

profit.

Honestly, on a Blackball table in England SVB will have a lineup of people waiting to try him. He can start low and work his way all the way up to Potts.

If SVB EVER wants more action then he knows what to do with then all he has to do is go to Europe and hang out on a Blackball table or a Snooker table. He will have action for life. The only problem is he might not like it.

SVB basically has to be willing to man up and do what Appleton did. Change from the game he grew up with, move overseas, and start competing and climbing the ladder in the new game. Appleton managed to become a multi-time world champ doing just that. Can SVB make the trip in the other direction with nearly as much success? There is certainly some rewards for him if he wants to give it a shot in between his American pool events.

People here in America always think that the foreign players should come over to America and prove themselves in American games on American soil. Guess what, planes fly both directions, and it is a lot easier to get played if you are willing to do the traveling.

Road players of old used to travel into other peoples turf to get action, now America, the birthplace of the road players and that way of life think all the action should come to them. Plane are the new cars, England, the Philippines, and Asia are the new towns with the top local talent. Get out there and get the action like the old guys did. Don't wait for it to come to you, go get the money.

I think that's a bit harsh, don't you? Don't confuse Shane's lack overseas titles with his unwillingness to take a flight to get played on someone else's home turf. Who do you think spent several months in the Philipines playing all of their champions in all of their home rooms? Shane did it before Darren.

And honestly, Shane made over $1,000,000 USD in the past 6 years, just in official tournament winnings alone. That's excluding after-hours action and calcutta money, from which he is WAY ahead as well I would think. Why would he give up that sure payday for just a CHANCE of a big payday that may only come years later, if at all. This has nothing to do with "being a man", but being intelligent.

Frankly, although I suspect Shane has played very little snooker or E8B, I'm sure he knows enough about the games (and cuesports in general) to know just how hard the switch would be in that direction. A level of difficulty that would make it folly to even try playing professional snooker, or even professional E8B for that matter.

With regards to the rest of this thread, there are so many individual comments I wanted to make, but I'm too lazy to quote each individual person. So I will distill my thoughts in a few points:

(1) Shane has no chance of ever breaking into the top 50 of world snooker rankings. He's too old and that ship has already sailed.

(2) If he dedicated himself to playing JUST snooker full time for at least 5 years, with knowledgeable coaching/competition he MIGHT be able to beat some top 10 snooker players in the occasional short race. But I don't consider a race to 9 to be particularly short.

(3) As someone who has played a fair amount of snooker myself (and live in a place with people who have run many perfect games, and who also play quite a bit of American Pool games), the cut of the snooker/E8B/C8B pockets are a huge hurdle to overcome for a pool player, more so than the size of the balls, hardness of the rails, or slow/knappy cloth.

(4) Some of the snooker players are not giving the difficulty/importance/effectiveness of Shane's break it's proper due. It is not something that Potts, Ronnie or anyone else could achieve with less than years of practice. Darren has been playing exclusively American pool games for what must be 10 years now and his break pales in comparison. As great as Darren's game is at A8B (such as his amazing performance in the USBTC), in a long race against Shane, Darren might still lose even if he never missed a ball. The dry breaks and extra balls he would need to navigate to run out would catch up with him eventually.

An analogy regarding Shane's break would be golf. You can't compare the ability of two golfers with the stipulation that you have to ignore the drive. The drive is an extremely important shot. Driving distance and accuracy take years to perfect. I could argue that Potts is the best in the world on 8-ball's equivalent of a par-3 course, and Shane is the best in the world on a regulation course.
 
Dennis asked Shane to gamble on table #1 at Hard Times. Shane would not play with his own money and Mars would not back him saying the match was too close to gamble on. So there is an even game Shane would not play..... You make it sound like Shane will play anyone at any time and that is simply not the case.

Marsman already addressed that story. Dennis wanted 10ball, Shane wanted 1p and the couldn't quite get it together. I'm not going to go find the post, but it wasn't as simple as you wish it was.

Everyone in here wants to cling to C8B, or E8B. SVB's work ethic + enough incentive to get the game would be bad for your english 8ball guys. Then again, you will all argue that because he doesn't have the drive to learn a game that won't pay him he's rubbish... OK, You win the internet.

Even if I agreed with you guys, which I don't, you guys are trying to compare apples to oranges. What I'm getting at is you guys all chirp, but I don't see a line to play Shane when he's at these tournaments abroad.

Here's your best argument. 1 tournament in china...

http://www.azbilliards.com/tours_an...91-world-chinese-8-ball-masters-2014/results/

Potts wins SVB takes 9th. Long set for big cash, I'm doubting I can get odds on SVB. If I can, someone line it up. SVB has made a career of out running the nuts.
 
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Well you know we were young and children can be cruel.
Still no where near as funny as the AZB rednecks on here that have SVB beating everyone at every cue-sport known to man but hey that's the American way isn't it to make someone world champ without ever having played the rest of the world.

Thanx for not making it a big deal, Slash.
But I just wanted to speak up for the Miz...I have nothing but fond memories of him.

As for changing equipment, it can be serious trouble even for the best.
I watched Marcus Chamat and Ralf Souquet play on Canadian Black Crowns
for their first time...Alex won the tournament and I seriously think he
played the 7/8 over them on those conditions.

Now change the balls, the tables, and the rules.....I'll bet against the
new-comers every time.

We should start a thread on this topic....bet we both got some stories.
 
So then in summary, when do we start the thread about SVB vs Jesus at 1p, A8b, 10b and walking on water?

I see that as 4-0 SVB all day long...
 
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