Gareth Potts vs SVB.. who wins?

peteypooldude said:
If snooker is soooo great then why is DA and other snooker champs playing pool
Something's up
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SInce when is daz a snooker champ? I think he was a british 8 ball champ, never a snooker world champ, if that was the case you wouldn't see him in the US playing pool.
 
At the end of the day I'd just like to see these two monsters play.

Set of Snooker, Set of English 8 Ball, set of 10 ball, Set of 1 pocket.

I honestly don't think Gareth would blow shane out the the water in English 8 Ball like shane would to him in 10 ball. Overall, I feel like their matches would be competive, even in snooker.

Anyone want to post odds on what each set might be?
 
pletho said:
Shane - Looks and acts like a man, plays like a man, not a girl (Potts)
Shane - Give him some actual practice time playing snooker 8ball, Shane will dominate, the only reason he would lose is because he is not used to the table....., it would not take long for him to catch on to the strategy and dominate that discipline, in any countrys style of play....

Potts plays like a twinkle toes girl in my opinion..........
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Pletho, you clearly dont know s$&@ about billiards and you are still a scammer in my books, remember how you ran away with my $$ and refused to pay like a little girl.

Oh, and I also remeber how you said you are man of your word and I can trust you

Such a low individual you are

Please be aware if you ever deal with this clown guys
 
Celtic said:
Yeah, except that Potts did "not" grow up playing Chinese 8-ball.

It is a relatively new game and TBPH the fact it uses regulation size "pool" balls, the fact it is played on a 9 foot table, and the fact that the game uses "standard (read American) style 8-ball rules favors SVB, not Potts.

What Potts gets is the tight snooker cut pockets, which in effect demand more accuracy.

If Potts is better at Chinese 8-ball (and it would seem almost everyone on here admit to that including the SVB fans) then one must ask "why?".

Is it because he is a better potter then SVB and the tight snooker cut pockets simply show this?

Is it because Potts plays better 8-ball patterns then SVB and thus has fewer tough shots?

Is it because Potts has better overall cue ball control then SVB and thus manages the racks better?

I think most here would agree, SVB "should" have a huge breaking advantage given the regulation pool ball size on these 9-foot tables.

Is it really simply a matter of taking a game that SVB is supposedly "the" master of, using regulation sized pool balls that SVB is used to, using a 9-foot table that SVB is used to, playing a game that SVB is normally great at, and doing nothing more then making the pockets far more demanding in pocketing the balls, and suddenly SVB can no longer be considered the best?

Where is the weakness that suddenly makes SVB such a dog in a game that has so many things that SHOULD favor him. This game is more akin to American pool then it is to the Blackball pool that Potts came from. It has American rules, American balls, is on an American sized 9-foot, and the ONLY thing different is the pockets are tight and demand far more accurate shot making.

Demand more accurate shot making and suddenly SVB cannot win? Is thjat seriously all it took? If that is the case is this guy really the best overall player out there? Being able to pocket the balls and play the shape to make pocketing those balls as easy as possible IS 99% of the game, and it seems we are all here admitting that SVB cannot beat Potts in a game that demands just that...
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With all due respect, while not an expert in either American 8-ball or Chinese 8-ball, I have played on both tables, and I'll point out the following:

- I do not think enough sample size exists (either SVB on C8B table or Potts on an A8B table) to fairly conclude either a huge favorite or dog.

- although a relatively recent development, Potts has clearly played more on C8B tables than SVB (and almost all other non-Chinese players in general). In fact I believe he has his own C8B table in his house.

- IMO it is not the size of the pockets, but the cut that is critical. The rounded cut of C8B tables (similar to snooker tables) has a huge impact on shot selection. Basically, the margin of error on shots becomes smaller and smaller as the shot line gets more parallel to a rail. This has a huge impact on playing shape. Normal patterns that A8B players are used to suddenly become mistakes; you really have to "relearn" many aspects of the game. Furthermore, it becomes really difficult to switch back and forth.

- I'm not an expert of cueing fundamentals, but based on some other threads, it seems that there is a general belief that European cueists are taught better fundamentals at an earlier age than their American counterparts. And tight pocket games such as C8B and snooker are much more levered to shot making ability, whereas the American games are less so.

- I've seen both SVB and GP play and they are both incredibly talented individuals who have worked incredibly hard to achieve their respective success.

In my opinion, either could achieve reasonable amounts of success in each other's sport. However, "reasonable" success does not equate to being the best. And even if SVB ( or GP) could become top 20 in the other's sport, the economics probably would not justify the gamble to switch. Being top 5 and being top 20 are not economically comparable.
 
BJTyler said:
With all due respect, while not an expert in either American 8-ball or Chinese 8-ball, I have played on both tables, and I'll point out the following:

- I do not think enough sample size exists (either SVB on C8B table or Potts on an A8B table) to fairly conclude either a huge favorite or dog.

- although a relatively recent development, Potts has clearly played more on C8B tables than SVB (and almost all other non-Chinese players in general). In fact I believe he has his own C8B table in his house.

- IMO it is not the size of the pockets, but the cut that is critical. The rounded cut of C8B tables (similar to snooker tables) has a huge impact on shot selection. Basically, the margin of error on shots becomes smaller and smaller as the shot line gets more parallel to a rail. This has a huge impact on playing shape. Normal patterns that A8B players are used to suddenly become mistakes; you really have to "relearn" many aspects of the game. Furthermore, it becomes really difficult to switch back and forth.

- I'm not an expert of cueing fundamentals, but based on some other threads, it seems that there is a general belief that European cueists are taught better fundamentals at an earlier age than their American counterparts. And tight pocket games such as C8B and snooker are much more levered to shot making ability, whereas the American games are less so.

- I've seen both SVB and GP play and they are both incredibly talented individuals who have worked incredibly hard to achieve their respective success.

In my opinion, either could achieve reasonable amounts of success in each other's sport. However, "reasonable" success does not equate to being the best. And even if SVB ( or GP) could become top 20 in the other's sport, the economics probably would not justify the gamble to switch. Being top 5 and being top 20 are not economically comparable.
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I could think of 20/30 players minimum that would love to lock SVB or any other US american pool player or indeed a lot of top snooker players in a room with a Black ball table and all of his money and as much money as he could get hold of from backers and not let him out until it was all gone.
 
j_zippel said:
At the end of the day I'd just like to see these two monsters play.

Set of Snooker, Set of English 8 Ball, set of 10 ball, Set of 1 pocket.

I honestly don't think Gareth would blow shane out the the water in English 8 Ball like shane would to him in 10 ball. Overall, I feel like their matches would be competive, even in snooker.

Anyone want to post odds on what each set might be?
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Potts is a big favourite in Snooker and English 8 ball.
 
j_zippel said:
I honestly don't think Gareth would blow shane out the the water in English 8 Ball like shane would to him in 10 ball. Overall, I feel like their matches would be competive, even in snooker.
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Have you seen Shane play English 8 Ball?
 
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voiceofreason said:
I could think of 20/30 players minimum that would love to lock SVB or any other US american pool player or indeed a lot of top snooker players in a room with a Black ball table and all of his money and as much money as he could get hold of from backers and not let him out until it was all gone.
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No you don't, or they would. SVB will pretty much take any game. Your just talking tough. You can get all the action you want from Shane. All you need to do is ask.

The next logical question is, "Well why doesn't it happen then???????" Because people aren't usually that mad at there wallets.

Look deep in your wallet and find some heart...
 
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jhanso18 said:
No you don't, or they would. SVB will pretty much take any game. Your just talking tough. You can get all the action you want from Shane. All you need to do is ask.

The next logical question is, "Well why doesn't it happen then???????" Because people aren't usually that mad at there wallets.

Look deep in your wallet and find some heart...
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Lol.

Put it this way, SVB will beat Ronnie O'Sullivan at snooker sooner than he'll beat Potts at English 8 ball. SVB was getting robbed by pub players when he tried it.

Americans have a huge blindspot here. They don't seem to realise how the game has evolved in recent years - it is no longer all about how hard you can whack the ball, it's about how you can CONTROL it.

It is patently obvious to all that American CB control does not cut the mustard. It is poor because of your cueing technique. You can cry about it all you like or you can take steps to address it.
 
TheThaiger said:
Lol.

Put it this way, SVB will beat Ronnie O'Sullivan at snooker sooner than he'll beat Potts at English 8 ball. SVB was getting robbed by pub players when he tried it.

Americans have a huge blindspot here. They don't seem to realise how the game has evolved in recent years - it is no longer all about how hard you can whack the ball, it's about how you can CONTROL it.

It is patently obvious to all that American CB control does not cut the mustard. It is poor because of your cueing technique. You can cry about it all you like or you can take steps to address it.
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And again I say, if he's an easy target, why don't your boys come rob him??????????? Because they can't. Bring on Pott's and his backer to play some 8ball. I'm guessing we will here crickets. The big difference between you brits chirping and us is that our boy has made good, where your boys seem scared to match up...

There was an open invitation for YEARS. Come to South Dakota, and get played for whatever you want, 8ball or 10ball. Seems odd no one showed up for that "easy" pay day... He could go off as a 50-100k loser, and no one has bitten. Seems like a ticket to Sioux Falls is cheap when weighed against a $50k+ payday...
 
jhanso18 said:
And again I say, if he's an easy target, why don't your boys come rob him??????????? Because they can't. Bring on Pott's and his backer to play some 8ball. I'm guessing we will here crickets. The big difference between you brits chirping and us is that our boy has made good, where your boys seem scared to match up...

There was an open invitation for YEARS. Come to South Dakota, and get played for whatever you want, 8ball or 10ball. Seems odd no one showed up for that "easy" pay day... He could go off as a 50-100k loser, and no one has bitten. Seems like a ticket to Sioux Falls is cheap when weighed against a $50k+ payday...
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Lol.

Learn to read. How many English pool tables are there in South Dakota?

Ultimately, you need to have wider experience before you comment on such matters.
 
BJTyler said:
With all due respect, while not an expert in either American 8-ball or Chinese 8-ball, I have played on both tables, and I'll point out the following:

- I do not think enough sample size exists (either SVB on C8B table or Potts on an A8B table) to fairly conclude either a huge favorite or dog.

- although a relatively recent development, Potts has clearly played more on C8B tables than SVB (and almost all other non-Chinese players in general). In fact I believe he has his own C8B table in his house.

- IMO it is not the size of the pockets, but the cut that is critical. The rounded cut of C8B tables (similar to snooker tables) has a huge impact on shot selection. Basically, the margin of error on shots becomes smaller and smaller as the shot line gets more parallel to a rail. This has a huge impact on playing shape. Normal patterns that A8B players are used to suddenly become mistakes; you really have to "relearn" many aspects of the game. Furthermore, it becomes really difficult to switch back and forth.

- I'm not an expert of cueing fundamentals, but based on some other threads, it seems that there is a general belief that European cueists are taught better fundamentals at an earlier age than their American counterparts. And tight pocket games such as C8B and snooker are much more levered to shot making ability, whereas the American games are less so.

- I've seen both SVB and GP play and they are both incredibly talented individuals who have worked incredibly hard to achieve their respective success.

In my opinion, either could achieve reasonable amounts of success in each other's sport. However, "reasonable" success does not equate to being the best. And even if SVB ( or GP) could become top 20 in the other's sport, the economics probably would not justify the gamble to switch. Being top 5 and being top 20 are not economically comparable.
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Fair comment on all points. I'd add; C8B is the same game as A8B, but much, much more difficult. Does difficulty not determine the best player?
 
Potts can't win against Crosstown Phil...Crosstown has been known to offer spots to elite players and get there. That's all I can say.
 
mikeyfrost said:
Potts can't win against Crosstown Phil...Crosstown has been known to offer spots to elite players and get there. That's all I can say.
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Yup, there's this guy Frikey Most, too. Lights-out player who spots Crosstown Phil as well, so you can imagine what he'd do to Potts. That's all I have to say. ;)
 
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