Getting Out When It's Easy - 8-ball
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getting out when its easy requires just as much thought as getting out when its hard.
this is pool... there is no easy.. and you ALWAYS play smart unless you like to lose.
play 2 way in 9ball your a genius
play 2 way in 1 hole your a legend
play 2 way in 8-ball and your a chump because the game is so easy...
WOW 8-ball deserves more respect than that. its a legitimate pool game and if you doubt that play it on a smaller table..
this is pool... there is no easy.. and you ALWAYS play smart unless you like to lose.
play 2 way in 9ball your a genius
play 2 way in 1 hole your a legend
play 2 way in 8-ball and your a chump because the game is so easy...
WOW 8-ball deserves more respect than that. its a legitimate pool game and if you doubt that play it on a smaller table..
You have a wonderful way to make your points. You also have a wonderful knack of not realizing that many people on this board make their opinions based on decades of 8-ball knowledge and actual 8-ball tournament experience across the country. Both on bar tables and on big tables. Maybe you don't know when to play 2-way, and when not to in all the disciplines?softshot said:
Apparently, your experience makes us look like a bunch of 2nd grade nitwits who've never played the game before, and never watched the best 8-ball players in the world play.
Fred
Cornerman said:
I meant no such thing.
if I appear that rudimentary in my thinking please explain how..
I come here to gain knowledge.
but all I get is "your an idiot" " you don't know what your talking about" but no explanations as to WHY.
What exactly is flawed about my run compared with your decision to sell out on your first shot??
PLEASE tell me.
my run is equally as attainable as yours for a good player. but mine covers more bases and provides contingency plays for the rare mistake. yours requires you to be nearly perfect and any flaw loses you the game.
seems like I am playing to win and you are playing to show off.
If I am wrong please correct me.
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softshot said:
When you responded directly to me with:
"so you ALWAYS run out every time its there?
I doubt it.
Have you heard of hedging your bets?
I make it.. or miss it and still have a great chance back at the table
compared with selling out on my first shot, and if I don't run out I lose?
do any of you ever play safe??
I play safe every shot on that run... and I'm the idiot???
I need to get back into action...... the newer generation just doesn't get it..."
You seem like an angry person, hopefully I don't see you in Reno.
softshots 8-ball strategy diagrammed for your viewing pleasure.
Your cueball ends up in A position after pocketing the 7, what shape do you play on the 6 to get on the 8? So far in the diagram you've used very precise draw shots for the sole purpose of not leaving a shot on the 8 in case if you miss. Have you heard of the term KISS? Keep It Simple Stupid? You shouldn't be drawing your ball like that in this runout. It increases your chances of missing the shot or missing your shape. Which negates any positives of playing two-way shots on every shot.
Now look how simple my runout would be...
You notice how all my shots are basically stop/stun shots. Maybe just a little bottom right on the 3, but that's it. Never a difficult shot the entire runout.
The silence of those that agree with you is deafening.
Your cueball ends up in A position after pocketing the 7, what shape do you play on the 6 to get on the 8? So far in the diagram you've used very precise draw shots for the sole purpose of not leaving a shot on the 8 in case if you miss. Have you heard of the term KISS? Keep It Simple Stupid? You shouldn't be drawing your ball like that in this runout. It increases your chances of missing the shot or missing your shape. Which negates any positives of playing two-way shots on every shot.
Now look how simple my runout would be...
You notice how all my shots are basically stop/stun shots. Maybe just a little bottom right on the 3, but that's it. Never a difficult shot the entire runout.
The silence of those that agree with you is deafening.
I doubt it. You are rude. And you have zero discussion skills. How do you expect anyone to believe you are here to "gain knowledge." You say you read the entire thread. Right. If you did, plenty of players already explained their thought process. And you insulted us by insinuating and explicitly accusing us of not thinking things through, not taking 8-ball seriously, showing off, and selling out. Not only is it rude, it's a damn lie.softshot said:
So, if insults are all you understand, then I've got one for you. You're 8-ball strategy is pretty weak. You want to gain knowledge? Read Jude's, CrownCityCorey's, and yes, even my full explanation of why we chose the patterns we chose. If you disagree, that's fine. But don't for one second think we don't know much of the ins and out of 8-ball strategy. You'll notice that my pattern pretty much doesn't match 100% with anyone else's, but I put a good reason why it doesn't. Without insulting other people's patterns.
Fred <~~~ 8-ball strategy is my middle name (my parents were just weird)
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I guess mr softshot would play the 6 with topspin, leaving himself a tough bank on the 8. In case he miss the 6-ball the opponent will have a tough shot on the 8 too. Makes sence to me, after all it is kind of a 2-way shot, isn't?
this is the right way. easy.Cuebacca said:6, 7, 5, 4, 3, 2, 8.
Cornerman said:
look man I am sorry you find me rude thats was never my intention but I can understand it up to a point when communicating in text I come across as very direct. and some folks may find that rude.. I don't... I prefer to get right to the point..
when you sink the two center balls you HAVE sold out.. the back up plan is gone.. you are now FORCED to run out ... if you don't ... you lose.. thats a sell out if you miss you lose ( unless my definition of a sell out is different than yours) once those two middle balls are gone and you miss.. you lose
in 8 ball (to my apparently limited knowledge) every ball you sink without running out is like sacrificing a pawn in chess its one less piece to move or to hide behind.
your decision is to remove all the defense you have with your first two shots. that's foreign to me it goes against everything I have learned about the game.. it's all risk and no reward.
if you don't like my direct statements I am truely sorry this is how I write and thats that.
don't hold it against me I really do come here to learn about pool.
that was a pissing contest.. and (not to sound like a third grader but) he started it.. he might not have disagreed with what was said .. he disagreed with who said it... meeasy-e said:
I tried not to get caught up into it but I did and I tried to end it as soon as I realized what it was and thats that
This isn't a bad thing. You seem to understand the concept of selling out. The thing that might be escaping you is that your opponent has already sold out by leaving this wide open rack. He ran 7 balls and not 8. This is what we 8-ball players live for: to get to a wide open rack so that we can run out.softshot said:
In this situation, if you miss from here, you deserve to lose. Now, if you're not at a skill level to knock in all these balls, then maybe your way is better. But, if you have sufficient ball pocketing skills, then the number one rule of 8-ball is to run out when it's time to run out. And this rack, it's time to runout. There is no skilled 8-ball player on the planet that wouldn't be thinking about running all the way out from here. Will we everytime? Nope. We're going to miss because people miss. But, if you play "just in case you miss," then you're not playing to win; you're playing to get lucky.
The two middle balls hurt you more than it hurts the guy with no balls left on the table. This is as plain as the day is long.
Then step back and learn. The middle two balls need to be off the table if you've got ball-in-hand. Read my other post (and most everyone else's post) why. It's guideline rule #1.
Fred
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