Agreed. The only thing more dangerous than a conservative, is a liberal with an agenda.
Ginacue pleads guilty
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Agreed. The only thing more dangerous than a conservative, is a liberal with an agenda.
I would like to know how ANY of this legislation is going to curb the import of ivory into asia. Specifically China.
It ain't.
It ain't.
Mammoth is banned because people have disguised illegal ivory to be "mammoth ivory". You can't make one legal without it affecting the other. Again...this all goes away if you have the proper government documents that legitimize your ivory....elephant or mammoth. A letter from someone saying they bought it at a garage sale in 1976 is not an official document. Otherwise, I'll just whip out a pad of paper, and write you out some "official Barringer ivory licenses" right now.
Do you know that water guns used to look like real guns? Then, some people got shot because they couldn't identify them as water guns. The government then made it illegal for toy makers to make water guns that looked real. I don't hear anyone whining about the plight of the youth, and how their rights to bear water firearms that look authentic have been infringed upon.
If you get the above, then you should understand why mammoth ivory trading has been deemed illegal.
Cowboy Dennis
Banned
...and Mastodon ivory is even nicer than Mammoth ivory. If it's not included in the ban we only need a little DNA to clone one and then raise it for its tusks.
The advocates of these legislations were to lazy to consider that there are clear scientific tests that can determine the age of the ivory. Big difference between ivory culled 50 or so years ago and ivory that has been the ground for 50,000 years.
By your reasoning, we are going to get to the point that any white material that looks like ivory, could be confiscated. There are products out their now, that have the appearance of ivory including the grain pattern. Hate to think some overzealous federal official will take that next step.
By your reasoning, we are going to get to the point that any white material that looks like ivory, could be confiscated. There are products out their now, that have the appearance of ivory including the grain pattern. Hate to think some overzealous federal official will take that next step.
I am sure there is plenty in the ground in Siberia.
Nice Pic
(yes I forgot about Mastodon)
Nice Pic
(yes I forgot about Mastodon)
Yes. Drug dealing is very different and doesn't cause the loss of life of an animal.
I disagree on removing the demand, as stated many times they tried this with drugs, not working.
Death is death. No one will want the ultimate penalty. Its funny, libs no problem with abortions, criminals.. not so much.
Education works both ways. There is enough already dead ivory. Figure out how to keep the illegal stuff to a minimum WITHOUT any affect on what is / was legal. It can be done.
JV
I disagree on removing the demand, as stated many times they tried this with drugs, not working.
Death is death. No one will want the ultimate penalty. Its funny, libs no problem with abortions, criminals.. not so much.
Education works both ways. There is enough already dead ivory. Figure out how to keep the illegal stuff to a minimum WITHOUT any affect on what is / was legal. It can be done.
JV
Just for the record, I believe the kid shot in Cleveland last year had a toy gun. Guess that law didn't work out for him
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On top of that.. it could be walrus, narwhal, or boar.. who knows. So what happens when an over zealous gustapo of the liberal army takes a juma, or elforyn cue, with a 15000 dollar price tag and hacks it up? Just an I'm sorry?
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Yep.
You made that point much better than me.
I am off now to cook ribs for the next 4 hours. Hopefully the feds won't come after me for contributing to the death of a pig.
See you all tomorrow morning.
You made that point much better than me.
I am off now to cook ribs for the next 4 hours. Hopefully the feds won't come after me for contributing to the death of a pig.
See you all tomorrow morning.
Not only that. That poisonous smoke from the BBQ.. better get an exhaust hood, hazmat suit, and O2 tanks and keep them nearby. Tell your neighbors so they have the option to leave....
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I'm here to tell you that you are 100% INCORRECT in what you think about Americans and Cuban cigars. Having put a torch to literally thousands of hand rolled black tobacco products from all corners of the world there is nothing, NOTHING that can compare to what comes off the island in flavor, taste and aroma. Are there some bad ones?....Absolutely, but the great ones for out weigh the bad and the average out weight the rest of the what entire world produces.
And that is an absolute fact. No "I think" about it.
Carry on with your other little debate as you see fit for your purpose.
Fixed that for you.
FWIW I think, not sure, but I think that the agencies have several methods to identify ivory without actually harming the object.
https://www.fws.gov/lab/ivory_natural.php
looks very ugly
When reading the pdf it looks very bad for Ernie. From the US standpoint Ginacue is the primary target, not the people actually toting the cues through the airport.
His two "fall partners" are singing like birds, not only cooperating fully in this investigation but volunteering information concerning other international sales that Ernie e-mailed them by accident. The fed's have already followed up on these and carried things full circle to indicate a practice of Ernie's of documenting ivory in cues for foreign sales as IvoryS or IvS. This includes shipments to other countries and the shipment that was intercepted for this case. If this isn't a common way Ernie has designated ivory in other sales it could be a major damning issue. The kind of crap the Fed's pull, they accused him of interstate sales when it was 100% legal. Just game playing.
Ernie did much to hang himself in a meeting without his lawyer present. Ignorance is no excuse under the law but he has admitted that he knew he couldn't ship ivory out the country anyway.
What Ernie said sounds familiar but I can't remember why. I heard it or read it somewhere recently:
When reading the pdf it looks very bad for Ernie. From the US standpoint Ginacue is the primary target, not the people actually toting the cues through the airport.
His two "fall partners" are singing like birds, not only cooperating fully in this investigation but volunteering information concerning other international sales that Ernie e-mailed them by accident. The fed's have already followed up on these and carried things full circle to indicate a practice of Ernie's of documenting ivory in cues for foreign sales as IvoryS or IvS. This includes shipments to other countries and the shipment that was intercepted for this case. If this isn't a common way Ernie has designated ivory in other sales it could be a major damning issue. The kind of crap the Fed's pull, they accused him of interstate sales when it was 100% legal. Just game playing.
Ernie did much to hang himself in a meeting without his lawyer present. Ignorance is no excuse under the law but he has admitted that he knew he couldn't ship ivory out the country anyway.
What Ernie said sounds familiar but I can't remember why. I heard it or read it somewhere recently:
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That is absolutely horrible. For someone wanting a tiny bit of ivory for joint & ferrules, there is no epidemic created. Plus we wouldnt be looking for olre new ivory, because there is plenty of preban still available. And what happens when we start accepting substitutes, the government can still say it looks like ivory & take it to test & we would still lose our cue & have it destroyed for testing. People wanti g like 4ozs or less of ivory for a hit they enjoy the most on a cue will never add to the problems of saving the elephants. Its just absurd.
..well then.. that would be awful coming from someone that has indirectly made money off of offering the "best" protection for those high end cues.
So you to have benefitted from the price and cost associated with ivory.
Keep that in mind...
In fact an entire industry was created with high end cues and cue collecting, a lot of people were involved and benefitted... You cannot count the number of people that go to SBE just to buy and sell cues.
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Then by this, there is no reason to include mammoth since it is very distinguishable from elephant ivory.
Also it clearly says that there will be further testing if the visual test is inconclusive. So in the case of an inlay, you're cue will be dismantled.
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Just your opinion as well, Dave. No "fact" to it. Your taste buds are yours alone. There are as many people smoking non Cubans and loving them as there are die hard CC affectionados.
By your logic, misdemeanour drug use should be legal, then. I mean, it's only a little bit of an illegal substance. Surely, that's better than a lot, right?
The hypocrisy around here is astounding.