Give my 5 Kieth McCreedy's and you got a MC winner

JAM said:
Thank you for proving my point. Well done! :)
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Not interested in discussing this at all, then? Ah well. I was looking for a detailed explanation for why I was wrong. Guess I'll have to settle for another tantrum instead.

ChicagoRJ said:
OK, at least you have a sense of humor ;) And yes, you damn snooker players know how to cue a ball, no argument there. I played snooker once, once !!

AS far as Trump goes.... when they run a candidate as bad, as corrupt and unlikeable as Hillary, things are not going to end well. We can't keep doing the same thing over and over with career politicians, who are now all millionaires, and expect different results. Trump. love him or hate him, things are going to change :grin-square:
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Fair enough. Had Hilary won, I'd probably be saying something along the lines of, "when you run a candidate as wholly unsuited to this job as Trump clearly is, this is what you get." So I didn't see her as a great candidate either (better than Trump, mind). We have an interesting four years ahead, for sure.






So... anybody want to tell me why I'm wrong about Keith McCready (hopefully without calling me a troll;))?

The way I see it is he was a decent level pro, supposedly a good gambler. Poor fundamentals but ones that worked for him. Took on a lot of shots. Was capable of hitting a high gear, but had some dog in him and was prone to miss easy shots under pressure. Hell, that last sentence could describe SVB, only SVB has a higher gear, better fundamentals and breaks like god... yet still can't get it done in these conditions against the Euros. Why would Keith do any better?
 
SakuJack said:
So you're not willing to address any of my points - including the questions about who was bashing Keith? Okay, cool. I just thought it may be fun to have some real discussion, but I suppose you disagree.



Yawn. You continually jump in and out of threads calling people trolls and refusing to address or discuss their points. It's a discussion forum, not somewhere for you to just post pictures and expect praise purely because of who your partner is.



lol, fair enough... however, DONALD TRUMP is your president elect. Glass houses and that, yeah?

We also know a thing or two about cueing a ball ;).



JAM, disgusted by sarcastic, flippant remarks... but only when it suits her.
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Yet when your best cueist came over to play in the IPT he was a also ran , not one of your Euro countries could beat our top five with thier top five that's why you have to combine all of them together

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Keith wants me to give him his AzBilliards password.

Hi, Keith! :wave2:
 
one stroke said:
Yet when your best cueist came over to play in the IPT he was a also ran , not one of your Euro countries could beat our top five with thier top five that's why you have to combine all of them together

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Darren Appleton
Mark Gray
Jayson Shaw
Karl Boyes
Chris Melling

That team beats a US team comfortably.

Yorkshire could field a team to be competitive with the US.
 
one stroke said:
This quite as a church mouse pool setting is killing American pool , when we were at our finest was when pool halls were smoke filled loud venues action players like Keith , Cole Dixon , Cj Wiley and so on not only played well but thrived in those conditions ever wonder why the Filipinos play so well YouTube some matches over there , people crowding tables street noice rooster crowing and so on nothing bothers them thier conditioned to anything
Our players now wilt under these conditions Kieth would be jawing with the crowd and in a split second get down on a shot and fire it in ,
Give me 5 of him and you got a winner


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[Transcribed by JAM]

It's a shame to take a fun thread like this and turn it into this mockery.

I'm just going to say one thing. To try to degrade my top speed when I was playing my best and try to turn it into something that really wasn't worth anything, it's hurtful, and for what reason, I don't know why anyone would say that.

When I was in my prime, all the best players in the country had an open ticket to come and play me some, and only two made it: Mike Sigel and Larry Hubbart. And they both got shipped. Then Varner tried it. He got dusted on a 4 1/2 by 9. I have beat a lot of good players in my life. I believe I have beat every good player alive back in that era, one time or another. And to get no credit from that, it doesn't sit right with me.

I don't mind people taking me down. That's not my style to come on a forum and try to put somebody down and try to take something away from them that they totally deserve.

I have been away from this forum for a long time. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and I'm good with that. I just wish we could have all the players in a group back then in that era and listen to what they would have to say about playing me.

I have a lot of respect for all the players back then and would never, ever want to take anything away from them, none whatsoever. There's some I didn't like, but I would never come on a forum and mention names and try to put them down. There's a respect factor among players that can't be denied. Only the players know.

Earthquake out.
 
Pathetic Shark said:
6 tournaments I've never heard of in 20 years. How many did Shaw win this year alone? Over 10, i think, and he was far and away the weakest European player at the Mosconi. If there's a claim he would be level game (or better) with the euros kicking around, I'd like to see better evidence than that before i believed it.
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You friggin idiots,do you not understand that gambling is where the money was in the 60s 70s 80s not tournament pool.you played tournament pool only if you had been outed in a area and couldn,t win anymore gambling. That is still the case today but with cell phones and the internet you can,t hardly hustle anymore(with all the pool detectives etc...) when you hear about our guys playing for 25- 50- 100k in gambling matches why aren,t your guys stepping up and playing for it(oh thats right jason tried to play bergman and lost by what...? 20 games or so. Just keep grinding out that living(nothing wrong with that) but we(americans) and pinoys for that matter will keep betting it up and playing sets for more than your guys make annually.your guys have been challenged to gamble big sets for years and why won,t they step up and put those fundamentals on display for the big cash? Hey if you really believe in your guys,we have a term here in the states ,its called a "stakehorse" and what that means is you can put up the money for your player and let them play our flashy,fundamentally poor, has beens and win alot of money.if you believe in your guys why isn,t any of you trying to make money. In europe are you guys opposed to making money lol. Didn,t think so,but i guess its just easy to sit back type on the computer and talk about winning races to 5.
 
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You friggin idiots,do you not understand that gambling is where the money was in the 60s 70s 80s not tournament pool.you played tournament pool only if you had been outed in a area and couldn,t win anymore gambling. That is still the case today but with cell phones and the internet you can,t hardly hustle anymore(with all the pool detectives etc...) when you hear about our guys playing for 25- 50- 100k in gambling matches why aren,t your guys stepping up and playing for it(oh thats right jason tried to play bergman and lost by what...? 20 games or so. Just keep grinding out that living(nothing wrong with that) but we(americans) and pinoys for that matter will keep betting it up and playing sets for more than your guys make annually.your guys have been challenged to gamble big sets for years and why won,t they step up and put those fundamentals on display for the big cash? Hey if you really believe in your guys,we have a term here in the states ,its called a "stakehorse" and what that means is you can put up the money for your player and let them play our flashy,fundamentally poor, has beens and win alot of money.if you believe in your guys why isn,t any of you trying to make money. In europe are you guys opposed to making money lol. Didn,t think so,but i guess its just easy to sit back type on the computer and talk about winning races to 5.
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AMEN! PUT up, get up, or shut up!
 
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Give me 5

Give me 5. Give me 5 Buddy,s Now someone tell me day in and day out who took the cash from Buddy,Strictly 9-ball . Playing all the games for the cash (out of his OWN pocket) Hopkins all day.Buddy, Earl, Jose P. for the cash.
 
RichSchultz said:
just a quick read of the wikipedia entry on Keith will tell you who he's beaten.
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Getting beat in a pool tournament is not the same thing as playing for the cash gambling....sorry, everyone gets beat in pool tournament's sooner or later, even the best. When 2 players match up gambling, there's only one of three out comes, WIN, LOSE, or draw....and winning happens when the loser says I quit....I can't beat you!
 
jayburger said:
You friggin idiots,do you not understand that gambling is where the money was in the 60s 70s 80s not tournament pool.you played tournament pool only if you had been outed in a area and couldn,t win anymore gambling. That is still the case today but with cell phones and the internet you can,t hardly hustle anymore(with all the pool detectives etc...) when you hear about our guys playing for 25- 50- 100k in gambling matches why aren,t your guys stepping up and playing for it(oh thats right jason tried to play bergman and lost by what...? 20 games or so. Just keep grinding out that living(nothing wrong with that) but we(americans) and pinoys for that matter will keep betting it up and playing sets for more than your guys make annually.your guys have been challenged to gamble big sets for years and why won,t they step up and put those fundamentals on display for the big cash? Hey if you really believe in your guys,we have a term here in the states ,its called a "stakehorse" and what that means is you can put up the money for your player and let them play our flashy,fundamentally poor, has beens and win alot of money.if you believe in your guys why isn,t any of you trying to make money. In europe are you guys opposed to making money lol. Didn,t think so,but i guess its just easy to sit back type on the computer and talk about winning races to 5.
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On a Mosconi Cup related thread why would anyone be talking about anything other than races to five?
 
JAM said:
For the record, how many times have you seen Keith play in his prime? Please share.

You don't even know the man, never have met him. If so, post up your name on this forum so we can know who you are.

Yeah, that's what I thought.
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What would that prove? If he did, would you suddenly say "oh right. That's ok, you're entitled to your opinion, carry on."

Or would you simply shrug and carry on as normal?
 
Keith McCready said:
[Transcribed by JAM]

It's a shame to take a fun thread like this and turn it into this mockery.

I'm just going to say one thing. To try to degrade my top speed when I was playing my best and try to turn it into something that really wasn't worth anything, it's hurtful, and for what reason, I don't know why anyone would say that.

When I was in my prime, all the best players in the country had an open ticket to come and play me some, and only two made it: Mike Sigel and Larry Hubbart. And they both got shipped. Then Varner tried it. He got dusted on a 4 1/2 by 9. I have beat a lot of good players in my life. I believe I have beat every good player alive back in that era, one time or another. And to get no credit from that, it doesn't sit right with me.

I don't mind people taking me down. That's not my style to come on a forum and try to put somebody down and try to take something away from them that they totally deserve.

I have been away from this forum for a long time. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and I'm good with that. I just wish we could have all the players in a group back then in that era and listen to what they would have to say about playing me.

I have a lot of respect for all the players back then and would never, ever want to take anything away from them, none whatsoever. There's some I didn't like, but I would never come on a forum and mention names and try to put them down. There's a respect factor among players that can't be denied. Only the players know.

Earthquake out.
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Keith. Do you agree with the premise of the thread, that you could compete with the Europeans playing in the Mosconi Cup? (all things being equal, of course)
 
Keith McCready said:
[Transcribed by JAM]

I'm just going to say one thing. To try to degrade my top speed when I was playing my best and try to turn it into something that really wasn't worth anything, it's hurtful, and for what reason, I don't know why anyone would say that.

When I was in my prime, all the best players in the country had an open ticket to come and play me some,
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I'd like to add a little something to think about: Who, in the early 1980's, did Martin Scorsese reach out to when they wanted a player to portray the "greatest money player in the world" in The Color of Money?
 
Keith McCready said:
[Transcribed by JAM]

It's a shame to take a fun thread like this and turn it into this mockery.

I'm just going to say one thing. To try to degrade my top speed when I was playing my best and try to turn it into something that really wasn't worth anything, it's hurtful, and for what reason, I don't know why anyone would say that.

When I was in my prime, all the best players in the country had an open ticket to come and play me some, and only two made it: Mike Sigel and Larry Hubbart. And they both got shipped. Then Varner tried it. He got dusted on a 4 1/2 by 9. I have beat a lot of good players in my life. I believe I have beat every good player alive back in that era, one time or another. And to get no credit from that, it doesn't sit right with me.

I don't mind people taking me down. That's not my style to come on a forum and try to put somebody down and try to take something away from them that they totally deserve.

I have been away from this forum for a long time. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and I'm good with that. I just wish we could have all the players in a group back then in that era and listen to what they would have to say about playing me.

I have a lot of respect for all the players back then and would never, ever want to take anything away from them, none whatsoever. There's some I didn't like, but I would never come on a forum and mention names and try to put them down. There's a respect factor among players that can't be denied. Only the players know.

Earthquake out.
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Great to see an absolute legend post on here. I have no idea what age you are in relation to Varner but he was playing in the Mosconi Cup as late as the early 2000's. I know early ones had the likes of Mike Massey etc who seems to have been noted more as a trick shot artist.

Can I ask were you ever approached to play Mosconi and if not why do you think not? Please note I am not suggesting it was because you were not good enough. I know you were.
 
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