Glueing V-Groove Points

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Busbee Cue

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Hello,

When glueing the points into the V-Groove what do you think has a stronger structural bond that will hold up over time:

West System
Tite Bond 1,2,3

?
 
Busby,

Tite Bond is more water than glue!

Why would you want to spend all that time drying and stabilizing your wood, and then put all that moisture back into it with the glue you use?


Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
Busbee Cue said:
Hello,

When glueing the points into the V-Groove what do you think has a stronger structural bond that will hold up over time:

West System
Tite Bond 1,2,3

?
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Oily woods use epoxy
Non oily woods use glues with cross linking polyvinyl acetate content
 
RBC said:
Busby,

Tite Bond is more water than glue!

Why would you want to spend all that time drying and stabilizing your wood, and then put all that moisture back into it with the glue you use?


Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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Thanks for the reply.

I have always used West System Slow Cure and have been very happy with it. I was just wondering what type of response I would get concerning wood glue.
 
I use titebond II for butterflies, and titebondIII for points. My wood loves to get wet :)
 
i haven't done any points yet,but from asking a few of the guys whose cuebuilding skills i admire i will be using Titebond when i start doing them.i think either will work fine and it is really a matter of personal preference.

Eric you aren't the only one adding water to your cues.:grin:
 
Busbee Cue said:
Hello,

When glueing the points into the V-Groove what do you think has a stronger structural bond that will hold up over time:

West System
Tite Bond 1,2,3

?
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I use West Systems to glue 99 % of my points in. You can use Titebond as long as you have veneers in the points. I have found when glueing points without veneers using Titebond later down the road you can feel the points. For me Epoxy's is the way to go!
 
I really meant no offense about the water thing guys!

It's just that tite bond and other similar wood glues are the most basic form of wood glue and have been around for years. There are much better types of wood glues available now. Adhesives have come a long long way in the last few years. Polyurethanes not only glue better, but they are actually cured by the moisture in the wood. With proper fit, you can get invisible glue lines that don't swell with heat or moisture. They are a little messy, but once you get used to that they are easy to work with.

Don't get me wrong, I used wood glues, and epoxy to glue in points for years. I just wanted to share some things that I have found in the last few years.

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
Titebond III is actually a stronger bond than the Poly glues for wood to wood and is water proof.

like i said before though all of them will work and i haven't made a pointed cue yet so what do i know.i just don't think people realize how good the Titebond glues actually are,and they should be given consideration.
 
RBC said:
Busby,

Tite Bond is more water than glue!

Why would you want to spend all that time drying and stabilizing your wood, and then put all that moisture back into it with the glue you use?


Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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Royce, just wonder what you think about Gorilla's white glue? I have glued points in and been able to re-cut in just over an hour. Is this a poly glue mixed with some sort of wood glue?

Just wondering, Jim.
 
I hear Dave Barrenbrugge uses chewed bubble gum & has great results. Was something about elasticity or something like that. Could be just rumor. That D.S. is always starting gossip.

The truth is that adhesive specific prep is more important than the adhesive chosen for the job. Even cyano glue works great for points, & can be cut in minutes, if it's done correctly. Wood glue requires a particular preparation, as does poly glue. Epoxy will hold on anything but leaves glue outlines around the seems. So does cyano glues. Wood glue leaves the cleanest seems. Which holds strongest? Who really knows? Does anybody have rock solid scientific data determined by "points" specific testing? Of course not. So it really doesn't matter who uses what. I know what works best after giving everything a fair try. But i'd never try to convince anbybody that of it. That said, Bubblicious is my favorite brand.
 
qbilder said:
I hear Dave Barrenbrugge uses chewed bubble gum & has great results.

That is funny Eric,lol:rotflmao1: :bow-down:
Thanks for a laugh in the Morning,now have to eat chewing Gums:thumbup:
Ralf:thumbup: :eek: :grin-square:
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I use the West System with 206 slow hardener. I had a cuemaker call me with all the specs from the 206 and 207 hardeners and tell me that 207 was better because it had a few more pounds holding rating. He had called West System and talked to their reps and wanted to know why I suggested 206. Well West System told me to use 206 for a all around great slow cure. I know 207 is a finish coating epoxy, but he had the written data to prove I should use 207 for everything. I thought 207 dried faster than 206 which is a negative for gluing things up and I have used 206 for years and am too hard headed to change, since I know how much time I have to work with it and so on. Since 206 makes it a penetrating epoxy I feel the bond will be greater in wood. I am guessing the how many tons does it take to break the bond test were done on smooth surfaces.
 
Mc2 said:
Royce, just wonder what you think about Gorilla's white glue? I have glued points in and been able to re-cut in just over an hour. Is this a poly glue mixed with some sort of wood glue?

Just wondering, Jim.
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There are some cue makers who glue their points in and veneers together with gorilla glue. I don't think they necessarily use the white.

I've done mine with West Epoxy and with Wood Glue. I personally prefer to use the Epoxy, but I don't think there will be much of a problem with any of the glues out there today.

Maybe I'll build my next cue using 100% contact cement.
 
qbilder said:
I hear Dave Barrenbrugge uses chewed bubble gum & has great results. Was something about elasticity or something like that. Could be just rumor. That D.S. is always starting gossip.
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Shipped in from a remote island near the Galapagos and only chewed by 80 year old women who are still virgins. I'm not giving DS anymore of my secrets if he continues to spread them outside of the walls of his shop.



<~~~that's my one and only lesson for the year...........
 
BarenbruggeCues said:
only chewed by 80 year old women who are still virgins.
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Better get a large supply in, as I don't think there are any more 25 yr old virgins, much less middle aged virgins to replace them. Could be that this gum is going to go the way of old yellow micarta. :eek:
 
Bubble Gum Secret

BarenbruggeCues said:
Shipped in from a remote island near the Galapagos and only chewed by 80 year old women who are still virgins. I'm not giving DS anymore of my secrets if he continues to spread them outside of the walls of his shop.



<~~~that's my one and only lesson for the year...........
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Hey DB This is DS. I only told EC, and EC promised He wouldn't give anyone else the DB secret. Now I know I can't trust EC to keep high tech info a secret. :rolleyes:

DS :grin:

PS; DB How do you keep everything from sticking to the cue when you use BG system?
 
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