Gold Crown IV vs Red Label Diamond

You'd have to be certifiably crazy to choose a red label Diamond over a GC4. The GC4 in high probability won't need new cushions. Just new cloth and you're ready to play.
Would not be a bad idea to replace cushions at this time and it's done for years..... but yes the current cushions might ok.
 
Those piano-looking GCs needed a full time cleaner…one bridge hand on the rail left enough finger prints for the FBI to check you out.

True but funny! I can see in my imagination a fingerprint team using the powder for prints or dusting all over the high gloss rails. I would be a perfect subject. When I get to the pool hall the first thing I do is clean the table I will be on, including wiping down the rails. I use the damp paper towels I dried my hands on after washing them thoroughly, usually those I make a second pass with so they are barely damp but they take the dirt, powder, and nicotine off the rails in smoking places. I am leaving nice prints behind I am sure! Maybe I should wipe down the table again before I leave to make people wonder what I am up to.

Hu
 
The Unforgiven! You should have kept the Black GC. A gloss 4 is a lifetime partnership and you broke the bond. How do you sleep at night?
I also had a black gc4 and replaced it with a blue label diamond not long ago.

I'm a gc fan and the blue diamond plays worlds better.
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True but funny! I can see in my imagination a fingerprint team using the powder for prints or dusting all over the high gloss rails. I would be a perfect subject. When I get to the pool hall the first thing I do is clean the table I will be on, including wiping down the rails. I use the damp paper towels I dried my hands on after washing them thoroughly, usually those I make a second pass with so they are barely damp but they take the dirt, powder, and nicotine off the rails in smoking places. I am leaving nice prints behind I am sure! Maybe I should wipe down the table again before I leave to make people wonder what I am up to.

Hu
When you’re done cleaning the piano table the finger prints really show up after you use the baby powder. 🤣 Just kidding, I know you wouldn’t use powder
 
You can probably get the GC 4 for less if you negotiate a bit with the guy, probably the table price but including moving it.
 
I once owned a GCIV and I have played on red label Diamonds - All Day long I recommend the Brunswick - to me, the red label was a very bad pool playing experience and you will end up hating the game of pool if you buy one.
 
I play on Diamond red labels a few times a week at a local room. No way I would ever own one of these tables unless the rails are fixed. Trying to bank or kick is super annoying. You can learn the adjustments but why? I haven't played on the GCIV, but played many years on many GCIIIs. I don't know the differences. But like I said Diamond red label, not a chance.
 
When you’re done cleaning the piano table the finger prints really show up after you use the baby powder. 🤣 Just kidding, I know you wouldn’t use powder

I forget you even can use powder most of the time. I can't remember the last time I used it. I think the trick is to get the corn starch without baby oil or other additives like most baby powders have. Of course not having the asbestos like some talc baby powders contain has to be a plus too! I thought that was a myth, turns out talc and asbestos are often found together in the wild apparently.

I used house cues so I usually cleaned the cue with the damp paper towels before using them on the table. A dry area of towel and a little high speed stroking dried it nicely! If I still wasn't happy I might have used the slightest touch of powder back in the seventies era. More likely to sneak out a bit of fine sandpaper and clean up the bridge area.

Playing with my own stick I never even consider powder or sandpaper like most of us today. I do find it fun to walk into a hall empty handed sometimes. A little sandpaper or Scotchbrite in my watch pocket and my old Brad tool and I'll find a playable stick. It is funny, I guess the best way to put it is I feel less encumbered without the case. Every time I go through my case pockets I find stuff I have toted for years without ever using! Sometimes I feel like coming in the pool hall with my 72" wide roll around tool cabinet just for the looks I would get. Only flaw with that idea, I know before long I would have that cabinet filled too!

Hu
 
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It's funny, now that the blue labels have been out for over 10 years, everyone hates the red labels. But when the red labels were still current, there was still a lot of debate on Gold Crown vs Diamond Red. I think it was a case of Red label owners not wanting to admit they got a bad table.

<=== Always have been a GC fan
<=== GC is better than a Red Diamond
<=== GC is better than a Blue Diamond
<=== Blue label is still way short, and really not that much different than Red
IMO:)
 
Fully agree, when comparing blue labels vs red label or gc 1,2,3,4, there really isnt to much of a comparison, being the blue lables really are that much better in terms of precision and playability.

Really would like to shoot on a rasson , just to see where they stand vs's blue labels.
Take a trip to Vegas, Bangin Ballz is full of OX tables
 
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I opened and ran the first ever room with the Red Label Diamonds in Denver, early 90's.
Tony, of Tony's Hustlers room table set up man installed em all, beautiful, till yah banked a ball or came off the cushion.
There were about 16 of em, and room is still there. Rack Em, Iliff and Hampden in Denver. This was the first room to ever have these, I think anywhere?
I heard its now a flaky place, so if you call any feedback may be suspect.
If the rails, like another had said, are NOT redone to current tables standards, the table will not play correctly at all.
If you never hit a cushion, they play great.
Make sure the rails have been rebooted to the proper specs and you'll be happy.
Rough place.

In the basement of a strip mall. Parking in the alley. One way in, one way out, up a narrow concrete stairwell with a landing in the middle.
My first time there I asked to see a menu and the counter man said, "You don't want to eat here!"
Wouldn't dream of going there after dark and only go there strapped.

Multiple shootings, unsolved homicide on the books.

But yeah, plenty of 9' red lables to play on.
 
Yep, and while doing the cash drop one night, the back office door was left open, Always wondered why the owner was able to do shots with the local cops right before closing, and always chipper the next am.
And this was waaaaaaaaaay before it's internal demographics/rebooted.
But my last night/unknowingly till...... the back office by the bar tables was left open.
Found White powder on owners desk top.
Walked and moved back south the following week.
 
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