Good hit, bad hit, how to call it?
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Here is the rule (actually a Regulation) from the official rules:
26. Split Hits
If the cue ball strikes a legal object ball and a non-legal object ball at approximately the same instant, and it cannot be determined which ball was hit first, it will be assumed that the legal target was struck first.
If the cue ball strikes a legal object ball and a non-legal object ball at approximately the same instant, and it cannot be determined which ball was hit first, it will be assumed that the legal target was struck first.
Here are the complete Rules and Regulations.
Dr. Dave has a bunch of videos on Youtube illustrating close hits and how to judge them.
i have found results tell the story almost always with bad/good hits. the cueball just simply can't go this way or that it a hit was good or bad, esp when the balls are close like you are suggesting. anyway, glad the question got answered, i guess it is the time honored tie goes to the runner theory from baseball.
That has very little to do with which was hit first, and much more to do with which was hit the fullest. You can graze one ball then hit another one full, and the second ball will travel farther than the first one.
You can usually tell which was hit first by the direction the balls move after contact.
Steve
....Ditto!!
What he said
unless a third party was called to watch the shot i'd say yeah. you don't call someone to watch the hit and you gotta expect the guy to call it a bad hit
One of my pet peeves... I hate when someone says the ball that travels the furthest or fastest was struck first. As an extreme example...if you thin a ball very fast and hit the next ball Full in the face, the SECOND ball would travel a lot faster and further than the FIRST ONE HIT.
I do, however, completely agree that the ANGLE of the balls can indicate which was struck first, but nothing beats a third party with no vested interest in the outcome, watching closely and calling it.
I do, however, completely agree that the ANGLE of the balls can indicate which was struck first, but nothing beats a third party with no vested interest in the outcome, watching closely and calling it.
If it's too close to call then it usually goes to the shooter, much as in baseball, when the tie always goes to the runner. 
Just wish other calls could be made as easy, as tonight I had a double hit situation, asked an impartial witness to make a call, had my opponent OBVIOUSLY make the double hit I figured he would, and had the witness say "looked good to me". /sigh
If you saw where the cue ball ended up after the hit there was no way it could of been anything other than a double hit, never mind the "cha-chunk" double hit sound that I heard. Even the shooter knew it was a double hit, but he figured since I called in a 3rd party that I might as well get screwed since the j-arse ruled against me. /double_sigh
Anywho ... if it's so close that you can't tell ... it's generally assumed it's good.
Just wish other calls could be made as easy, as tonight I had a double hit situation, asked an impartial witness to make a call, had my opponent OBVIOUSLY make the double hit I figured he would, and had the witness say "looked good to me". /sigh
If you saw where the cue ball ended up after the hit there was no way it could of been anything other than a double hit, never mind the "cha-chunk" double hit sound that I heard. Even the shooter knew it was a double hit, but he figured since I called in a 3rd party that I might as well get screwed since the j-arse ruled against me. /double_sigh
Anywho ... if it's so close that you can't tell ... it's generally assumed it's good.
Good stuff. In the first example, with the 2 and 3 ball off the rail, in addition to observing the cue ball path, there is a huge difference in the path the 3 ball follows.
Understanding how all the balls should react in different situations makes calling these shots so much easier.
Steve
Understanding how all the balls should react in different situations makes calling these shots so much easier.
Steve
Thanks.
Good point; although, it can sometimes be difficult to see everything at once, hence our suggestion to focus on the CB.
Agreed.
Regards,
Dave
Good hit, bad hit.
Did some ref work long ago. This is easy. It.s either good or bad. If you can't tell if it.s a bad hit then its a good hit. Correct color group must be hit first, thats it. If you hit them at the same time you did not hit your ball first. It ain't the space shuttle.
Did some ref work long ago. This is easy. It.s either good or bad. If you can't tell if it.s a bad hit then its a good hit. Correct color group must be hit first, thats it. If you hit them at the same time you did not hit your ball first. It ain't the space shuttle.
Unfortunately, there are may players and refs who get the calls wrong. You might want to try this referee test from Dr. Dave. Let us know how you do.