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For those who might be interested, I will not be competing at the U.S. open for the following reasons, the UPA, Brady Behrman and his father. I think everyone knows that Brady and the Upa y stiffed me so how does that have something to do with Berry Behrman (U.S. Open promoter?) I spoke to him and said I would like to play in the open but how could I play when his son who helps run the tournament owes me $ from another event. Berry said "I have nothing to do with my son's business adventures and your only hurting yourself by not playing in the open". Well this answer seemed reasonable enough so I thought I might try to make an offer, I asked him for a trade meaning if I could use part of the $ his son owed me from the (2002 Mid- Atlantic) as an entry fee in the open ($500.00) to be exact. Berry said no to my offer and stated " I don't care if you play in the Open or not," so with him having said that our conversation was over. I do not understand why these promoters think that they are tush hogs, the only solution I can come up with is because they can't play and want to get back at the individuals who can. Anyway good luck to anyone going to the U.S. Open, I hope for the sake of the players that either the UPaY or Berry get enough money from the gate other wise it's the players as usuall who will be pentalized and will not get paid.
Sincerely, 'little Danny'
 
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Danny Harriman said:
For those who might be interested, I will not be competing at the U.S. open for the following reasons, the UPA, Brady Behrman and his father. I think everyone knows that Brady and the Upa y stiffed me so how does that have something to do with Berry Behrman (U.S. Open promoter?) I spoke to him and said I would like to play in the open but how could I play when his son who helps run the tournament owes me $ from another event. Berry said "I have nothing to do with my son's business adventures and your only hurting yourself by not playing in the open". Well this answer seemed reasonable enough so I thought I might try to make an offer, I asked him for a trade meaning if I could use part of the $ his son owed me from the (2002 Mid- Atlantic) as an entry fee in the open ($500.00) to be exact. Berry said no to my offer and stated " I don't care if you play in the Open or not," so with him having said that our conversation was over. I do not understand why these promoters think that they are tush hogs, the only solution I can come up with is because they can't play and want to get back at the individuals who can. Anyway good luck to anyone going to the U.S. Open, I hope for the sake of the players that either the UPaY or Berry get enough money from the gate other wise it's the players as usuall who will be pentalized and will not get paid.
Sincerely, 'little Danny'
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Danny,,,, Please understand that i am really a fan of yours and it pains me to say this....... please give this a rest. everybody knows what happened between you and brady and you and the upa. why keep bringing this up and trying to rehash it over and over. Someone on here offered to pay you what was owed to you and then take it up with brady. you refused his help. Please chalk this up to a bad experience and get on with life. you are a great player and will do good on any tour. come play on the Joss tour a little. come play at the Joss tour finals next month at turning stone casino. i know mike zuglan has some spots open and would love to have you. it is going to be a pretty elite field, especially with earl, johnny archer, santos sambajon and rolph souquet and neils feijen in the field. also ronnie wiseman, ryan mccreesh and keith mccready. so please come and enjoy your self. again. i am a big fan and i am sorry what happened to you in the past. but it is just that.. the past. don't let it eat you alive..........................................mike
 
Re: Mike

I believe that everyone has the right in knowing that if they compete in the Open that they are playing at their own risk, I'm happy that your a fan but I am incredibly stubborn which is probably to my detriment alot of the time, and Berry did show me no respect at all just as his son has not. Ohh publicly his son may seem apolagetic but believe me the Behrman's are anything but easy to get along with. I thought my offer to Berry was reasonable and he slammed the door in my face this is why pool stagnates and the public deserves to know what kind of tournament that they are going to attend where certain parties involved owe players $. Berry would have been wise to accept my offer and part of his son's debt but he is a big shot and thinks that the US open is the only tournament in existance. If it is then that again shows how far pool is away from being legitamate, the key is communication and working together but I have not seen much if any from people like Frank Alvarez and the Behrman's.
Sorry Mike, but I do not forget that easily
'little' Danny
 
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Danny,

I sent you a PM awhile back asking you how come players were not paid and why some were paid and other were not at these tournaments. If you could answer that it definitly would help my interest. Thanks for your time. Good Luck with your quest.
 
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The only reason that we were not paid is because Brady did not have the money, evidently it was his first event ever that he tried to promote and it failed miserably. Now the other players have sponsors as I do not, Im guessing that they just turn the other cheek and chalk it up as $ lost. I do not know why he chose to not pay these players but I am still owed $1600.00 which would be enough to pay my entry to the open x3. Some people think I should just chalk this up as a loss and that it is not much $, those are the people who have more money than I do. This is a black eye for the US Open promoters and the UPA as THEY SANCTIONED THE EVENT IN WHICH I AM STILL OWED $ FROM. Any way I will not lose any sleep over not competing in the Open but I do feel that I would have been one of the favorites to win as I have been playing well. I am not even sure who owes me the $ now that I have been through all of the bullshit of trying to get paid, it's either Brady or the UPA but it is for sure one of them if not both.
I see that the UPa is sanctioning the US Open, that can tell us two things: knowone is gauranteed to get paid and that birds of a feather flock together.
Sincerely, 'little' Danny
 
I don't really care what you do but I will offer this unsolicited advice. I was in the war a long time ago and I saw some shitty stuff happen. In my opinion the only person you are going to hurt by dwelling on this stuff is yourself. It's not about whether you have a right to be pissed, it's about what is best for you starting today.
 
Danny,

Do all of us here in the Northeast a favor and sign up for the Joss finale.
I for one would love to see you play and I'd be willing to bet you'd do very well ;)
C'Mon, get back in the ring and start swinging...

Regards,
Koop
 
alstl said:
I don't really care what you do but I will offer this unsolicited advice. I was in the war a long time ago and I saw some shitty stuff happen. In my opinion the only person you are going to hurt by dwelling on this stuff is yourself. It's not about whether you have a right to be pissed, it's about what is best for you starting today.
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What does you being in the war and seeing shitty stuff happen....have anything to do with what Danny is talking about?
 
Danny Harriman said:
The only reason that we were not paid is because Brady did not have the money, evidently it was his first event ever that he tried to promote and it failed miserably. Now the other players have sponsors as I do not, Im guessing that they just turn the other cheek and chalk it up as $ lost. I do not know why he chose to not pay these players but I am still owed $1600.00 which would be enough to pay my entry to the open x3. Some people think I should just chalk this up as a loss and that it is not much $, those are the people who have more money than I do. This is a black eye for the US Open promoters and the UPA as THEY SANCTIONED THE EVENT IN WHICH I AM STILL OWED $ FROM. Any way I will not lose any sleep over not competing in the Open but I do feel that I would have been one of the favorites to win as I have been playing well. I am not even sure who owes me the $ now that I have been through all of the bullshit of trying to get paid, it's either Brady or the UPA but it is for sure one of them if not both.
I see that the UPa is sanctioning the US Open, that can tell us two things: knowone is gauranteed to get paid and that birds of a feather flock together.
Sincerely, 'little' Danny
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Danny,

Thanks for the response. When Brady ran short of money, when did you find out? At the players meeting or when you placed in the tournament, went to collect your prize fund and they came up dry. And is this discussed at the players meeting or does anyone bring it up at the players meeting.

The reason I ask this is because, in my opinion, the tournament promoter, should know if all of the fund are there at the begining of a tournament and not in the middle or end.


Thanks again for your time. I am sure your answers to these question are appreicated by all on this forum.
 
watchez said:
What does you being in the war and seeing shitty stuff happen....have anything to do with what Danny is talking about?
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Don't worry about it.
 
Danny did his job and deserved to be paid. Ten years ago I beat a local hustler out of 150 dollars which he still hasn't paid me. I refuse to play him again and remind him of this debt whenever I see him. 150 dollars, 1600 dollars neither of which are life alterating amounts of money, but why must we forget and forgive.

I don't think Danny should dwell on this, but how can he expect to make a living from playing pool if he isn't sure if he will be paid for his efforts. And these people who stiffed him are among the elite promoters of the sport.

The only weapon Danny has is to make everyone aware of this situation to (A) protect other players interest and (B) maybe receive the money he deservers. Good luck Danny. You seem like a good guy.
 
JustPlay said:
Danny,

Thanks for the response. When Brady ran short of money, when did you find out? At the players meeting or when you placed in the tournament, went to collect your prize fund and they came up dry. And is this discussed at the players meeting or does anyone bring it up at the players meeting.

The reason I ask this is because, in my opinion, the tournament promoter, should know if all of the fund are there at the begining of a tournament and not in the middle or end.


Thanks again for your time. I am sure your answers to these question are appreicated by all on this forum.
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I can't tell you when brady realized that he was going to be short of money. but I do know from 1st hand experience that he got hit with a snow storm that probably kept people away and the weekend of the finals was super bowl weekend and that fact most likely kept people away. not me. i go to any tournament within a days (8-10 hours) away. besides, i get alot more snow here than they do in Va. turn out by spectators was lousy to say the least. But atleast he tried. He did not have the financial backing or financial support of his father. he did this all on his own. He tried to do something good for the players and it back fired a little. so his timing was off a little on the date.... this subject has been hashed out and rehashed out and then rerehashed out again. i wish Danny all the support as a player and wish he would come play a few events on the Joss Tour. Remember Danny, the Joss Tour finals are next month. please comeback and play with the "BIG BOYS" again. we would love to have you.....................................mike
 
What about the Derby City Classic?

This is just for my self-interest!
Does anyone know if the UPA, OR the Behrman's have ANYTHING to do with the Derby City Classic.
I know Greg Diamond is the MAIN MAN @ the DCC and it is and always has been a First Class, Top Notch Tournament.
It is the ONLY True, Meaningful Tournament (IMHO).
Just Curious!

TY & GL
 
Mr. Harriman, by now you know that practically all of us (including me) on the AZB forum want to see you get paid and also wish to see you realize your dreams as a professional pool player.

Then a gain, do you think you're the only one that's ever gone through this kind of heartbreak? I know many a person told they'd get a raise or bonus and didn't get it or got less than promised. I know consultants whose paychecks bounced because their consulting company's finances were near bankruptcy. I know countless people who've been hurt financially because others have lied to them, cheated them, or deceived them in business. Others have been promised promotions that never came, and still others have been told they'd get vacations and didn't.

The difference between all of them and you, or so it appears, is that they didn't lose any of their drive to succeed and didn't walk away from or become less committed to their respective careers because of these small setbacks.

Your choices would appear to be a) continuing to bemoan your situation and to publicly and mercilessly bash those that have wronged you, or b) to move forward and focus on accomplishing everything you can in your chosen profession.

If you prefer to pursue a different profession than pro pool, that is, of course, your choice. Wherever you intend to direct your efforts, however, if you allow these small setbacks to lessen your professional drive and ambition, you are only hurting yourself.

Mr. Harriman, it is time to turn the page and move on, so that you can start lessening the distance between you and your dreams. Winners never quit, and as you can tell from our posts on the forum, most of us think of you as a winner.
 
5railkick said:
How about you pay $500, and win the US Open, then you will have money coming out of your ass and will stop bitching.
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How about you STFU? Danny PAID his travel exspenses to the tourney. Danny PAID for his hotel room. Danny PAID his entry fee to these tourneys and PLACED IN THE MONEY. If you could run more than 4 balls and was talented enough to place in the money in a pro tourney and paid all those exspenses, you'd want your money too. :rolleyes: 5rail, how about you pay for your gas to & from work, buy your groceries, pay your electric, phone, etc, work 40 hrs a week and then come payday they say "sorry". NO ONE on here is going to go work 40 hrs a week and put up with not getting a paycheck and that includes the people on here that told Danny he should just get over it and chalk it up. What, just because it's pool & not an office job it should be "ok" to not get paid???


I can understand some people might be tired of hearing about it. There's a more tactful, mature way to handle it...don't read the post or you can put Danny on your ignore list. It's quite simple.
 
sjm said:
Mr. Harriman,

The difference between all of them and you, or so it appears, is that they didn't lose any of their drive to succeed and didn't walk away from or become less committed to their respective careers because of these small setbacks.

Danny, Read that comment 10 times and assimilate it

b) to move forward and focus on accomplishing everything you can in your chosen profession.

Danny,did you hear that ?

if you allow these small setbacks to lessen your professional drive and ambition, you are only hurting yourself.

Danny, listen to him

Mr. Harriman, it is time to turn the page and move on,
Winners never quit, and as you can tell from our posts on the forum, most of us think of you as a winner.
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Do not put a deaf ear to the words from a wise man( SJM).That is the best advise any one could give.U do not have to be stubborn like a Mule because u were born in Missouri
Iowans refer to Missourians as Mules for their stubborness.
Cheers
Vagabond
 
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vagabond said:
Do not put a deaf ear to the words from a wise man( SJM).That is the best advise any one could give.U do not have to be stubborn like a Mule because u were born in Missouri
Iowans refer to Missourians as Mules for their stubborness.
Cheers
Vagabond
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I agree.... my last post proves that I completely understand where you're coming from and I'm definitely on your side. However, I too think of SJM as wise and level headed. I respect his opinion on most things and this is one of them. You can move forward... still expect your money and contact the people that you need to contact but don't let it consume you and affect your game. I know you're getting back out into the pool world and I'm glad to hear it. I'm looking foward to seeing you and watching you shoot again. You were fun to watch as a teenager and you're even more fun to watch as an adult. You're robbing me of my entertainment! :p

Vagabond, Missourians refer to Iowans as "Idiots Out Walking Around" :D
 
Danny ...

A prize offering in a tournament is like a written contract for the person that places that position in the tournament. Did they mention whether the prize
money was guaranteed. If so, you can get an attorney, sue them for breach
of contract, get your money, back interest on the money, your attorney and
associated fees, and court costs.

They can not apply the prize money one way for some players and another
way for others. You will need to have some measure of documentation as to
what you have done to reconcile the situation, and their responses to your
efforts.

If you take them to court, you will get your money. The court can attach
his bank accounts until the debt is paid in full.

BTW, my brother is an attorney here in Wichita.

If you want to do that, do it, otherwise, you are just going to have to
consider it an 'airball' and let it go.
 
Danny Harriman said:
For those who might be interested, I will not be competing at the U.S. open for the following reasons, the UPA, Brady Behrman and his father. I think everyone knows that Brady and the Upa y stiffed me so how does that have something to do with Berry Behrman (U.S. Open promoter?) I spoke to him and said I would like to play in the open but how could I play when his son who helps run the tournament owes me $ from another event. Berry said "I have nothing to do with my son's business adventures and your only hurting yourself by not playing in the open". Well this answer seemed reasonable enough so I thought I might try to make an offer, I asked him for a trade meaning if I could use part of the $ his son owed me from the (2002 Mid- Atlantic) as an entry fee in the open ($500.00) to be exact. Berry said no to my offer and stated " I don't care if you play in the Open or not," so with him having said that our conversation was over. I do not understand why these promoters think that they are tush hogs, the only solution I can come up with is because they can't play and want to get back at the individuals who can. Anyway good luck to anyone going to the U.S. Open, I hope for the sake of the players that either the UPaY or Berry get enough money from the gate other wise it's the players as usuall who will be pentalized and will not get paid.
Sincerely, 'little Danny'
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I wouldn't go and play either if I was you....hell, I wouldn't go if I was anyone else (I guess I am someone else...lol). I won't help send an AZ player there, I won't attend, I would never be a sponsor, and I don't really give a rat's ass anymore about the so called US Open.

Those making excuses for dishonest behavior just leads to more of the same, which pool certainly doesn't need. Why not take the suggestions to play elsewhere, kick some ass, and make 'em wish you were there to help the draw? This could be a nice motivator to really play some great pool.

Jeff Livingston
 
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