Good Unknowns

DawgAndy said:
I don't want to blow anybodies action but I was wondering. What players can you think of that could beat a top pro in tournament play that most pool fans might not have heard of? It would seem like an upset to a fan but this "unknown" has been around awhile maybe regional tours etc. And is
known by the pros to be a strong player. Gabe Owen probably fell in to this catagory before the Open. What others can you think of? Chris Szuter has beat Double J a couple of times in tournaments. I think the Joss, FLA. Pro and to a lesser extent the Viking has elevated a lot of regional players games in the past couple of years. Just something to think about.

Andy

Gene Nagy, twice has run over 400 balls in 14.1
 
pete lafond said:
I think a lot of player can beat the pros in 9 ball (not over the long haul though) which is more reason the game needs a change. I think 10 ball with called pockets and nine on the break gets spotted is a good start.

Why would you spot the 9...playing 10 ball?! :rolleyes:

-piga
 
vagabond said:
Hi Jimmy,
A top pool player from Houston,Tx was sent to prison for attacking a women and cutting her fingers off to get the gold rings she was wearing.Cheers
vagabond

That could be the reason I haven't heard his name in so long! :D
 
I don't know if I would call them unknowns but a few local players that could fall into this category would be Edwin Montal, Nick Kruger, and Tyler Edey. When I saw the title of this thread the first name that came to my mind was Lee Van Corteza, he's only 22 or 23 and can shoot the lights out.
 
I would like to add a couple, One old timer has any one heard of Bobby Smith out of Toledo, Ohio??

Josh Heaston, Steve Berry, are a couple more. I believe Josh was the yougest to compete in the Glass City Open at the age of 14. Steve 3 years ago at the open beat Johhny Archer, Toledoan Steve McAnish and Jimmy Rempe before losing to winner Nick Varner. Just my two cents
 
Thanks to the internet there are no unknowns anymore.
If they can hold a stick I probably know them.
 
Good unknowns

Stickin' my .02 in. Somone should ask $$$Bill about a guy from the Chicago suburbs named Bandy. 10 years ago or so, nobody liked it much on any table. Saw him win so many McDermott tourneys against Carter, Marco and the likes of McCinnish? makes you wonder just how good he played. Beat Mark Tad a couple of sets at The Cafe in Chicago when you could argue Tad was as good a player as there was. Been working full time as an electrician for over 20 years and still hits em' pretty darn good. Just a thought.
 
unknowns!!!!!!!!!

as somebody said early is definitly a thing of the past jack cooney was a great response another would probably be james walden another young player robbie langford good young player last i heard was in chatanooga maybe. shoots very straight. i wudnt really say durbin is an unknown probably b/c of the amount he will bet if u do i wud throw hennessee in that group to then. maybe a bobby pickle and jack crouch good local player from my hometown seen him throw out ten packs regularly but just cant take off the cash seen him beat scott frost out of two sets when he came through but if i recall right they were both cheap like races to five for two hundred or somehin but still a win i guess. just cudnt take off any real dough thats all thats my .02 enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
dogginda9 said:
Stickin' my .02 in. Somone should ask $$$Bill about a guy from the Chicago suburbs named Bandy. 10 years ago or so, nobody liked it much on any table. Saw him win so many McDermott tourneys against Carter, Marco and the likes of McCinnish? makes you wonder just how good he played. Beat Mark Tad a couple of sets at The Cafe in Chicago when you could argue Tad was as good a player as there was. Been working full time as an electrician for over 20 years and still hits em' pretty darn good. Just a thought.

Mike Bandy. As good as he plays, I am thinking there has to be more to the story of him beating Mark. Were they playing even? Was it on a 9' table?
 
Jimmy M. said:
Mike Bandy. As good as he plays, I am thinking there has to be more to the story of him beating Mark. Were they playing even? Was it on a 9' table?

Dogginda9, is telling the truth, Jimmy. Mike Bandy, when in stroke, was capable of beating anyone on earth 10-15 years ago and did in tournaments around Chicago land. He also won some big cash games. The problem, if you want to call it that, was that he was a working stiff. Made damn good money working for the electric co. for many years, had a family, even a set of twin boys, and didn't play much.

Mike is a good person and a good friend. If he hadn't met his wife when he did and settled down, had he lived through it, he could have been as good as anyone. Mike grew up in a very tough area and was as tough as any of them. I guess you could say he recognized a good woman when he saw her and was smart enough to marry her.

I'm not the only one who knows how well Mike played. Check with any of the old Chicago players from, Freddy The Beard to Bugs toTommy Spencer. They all knew how well Mike Bandy played.
 
There was a tournament at the Cafe. Mike wins and beats Mark at least once. Afterwards, Mark asks if anyone would like to match up. The owner of the Cafe, Frank, stakes Mike a race to 11 for $500. Mike wins 11-10 and they play another whichs goes the same way. The first set had Mike down 10-6 and he runs the set out. Mike's not a big gambler or anything but back then he could beat anyone in a relatively short session like that. Also, to let you know the line on Mike back then. In about 93 or so, Parica and Lebron come through town and their stakehorse brings them to the local room looking for action. Specifically Mike. The stakehorse knows Mike's speed and won't give up ANYTHING playing 9-ball. A game of straight pool is offered and politely declined. Just a little info.
 
dogginda9 said:
Stickin' my .02 in. Somone should ask $$$Bill about a guy from the Chicago suburbs named Bandy. 10 years ago or so, nobody liked it much on any table. Saw him win so many McDermott tourneys against Carter, Marco and the likes of McCinnish? makes you wonder just how good he played. Beat Mark Tad a couple of sets at The Cafe in Chicago when you could argue Tad was as good a player as there was. Been working full time as an electrician for over 20 years and still hits em' pretty darn good. Just a thought.

Mike Bandy played as well as anyone on the box. Antonio gave him the 8 on the small track and he finished 3 games up after about six hours.
 
9' tables

Just for the record. All the tournaments, Dogginda9, talks about, Mike Bandy winning were on 9' tables. Point being, Mike played the big table just as well as the bar box.
 
hemicudas said:
Just for the record. All the tournaments, Dogginda9, talks about, Mike Bandy winning were on 9' tables. Point being, Mike played the big table just as well as the bar box.

If these guys are so unknown, how come you guys know so much about them?

My vote goes to Danny Petralba, Filipino Danny in Los Angeles. Whew, has that guy got speed.

Chris
 
I don't know if he even plays anymore, but Rick Gracek (sp) from Detroit was relatively unknown, but played real well. I don't know if he was all that unknown on the East Coast, but I had never heard of Cigar Tom before I was in that area, so I think he'd fit into this category.

Oh yeah, there was this Jim Adame character in San Diego that played pretty good. :D :D
 
dogginda9 said:
There was a tournament at the Cafe. Mike wins and beats Mark at least once. Afterwards, Mark asks if anyone would like to match up. The owner of the Cafe, Frank, stakes Mike a race to 11 for $500. Mike wins 11-10 and they play another whichs goes the same way. The first set had Mike down 10-6 and he runs the set out. Mike's not a big gambler or anything but back then he could beat anyone in a relatively short session like that. Also, to let you know the line on Mike back then. In about 93 or so, Parica and Lebron come through town and their stakehorse brings them to the local room looking for action. Specifically Mike. The stakehorse knows Mike's speed and won't give up ANYTHING playing 9-ball. A game of straight pool is offered and politely declined. Just a little info.

I asked Mark about this. He said that they only played 1 set, but Mike did win. He said they were supposed to play the next day, but Mike didn't come back. Mark also said that this was long before he really started playing good (before the Hard Times days). I know you guys like Mike, so don't take what I'm saying the wrong way. I'm not trying to take anything away from Mike Bandy. I don't care what all happened. All I'm doing is repeating what Mark told me. JMO, IMHO, FWIW, and all that crap! :D
 
Jimmy M. said:
I asked Mark about this. He said that they only played 1 set, but Mike did win. He said they were supposed to play the next day, but Mike didn't come back. Mark also said that this was long before he really started playing good (before the Hard Times days). I know you guys like Mike, so don't take what I'm saying the wrong way. I'm not trying to take anything away from Mike Bandy. I don't care what all happened. All I'm doing is repeating what Mark told me. JMO, IMHO, FWIW, and all that crap! :D

No offence taken, Jimmy. The title of this thread is good unknown players and Mike Bandy surely qualifies on both counts.

Tate, as far as the reason, Dogginda9 and I know him is because we both lived/live in the Chicago area and watched him play. I must assume you didn't know who he was. Many others don't either.
 
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