Got my free Kamui tip, but
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Considering I see Kamui as a target for converting players over from it is with a heavy heart that I have to say I agree with them on this one... To ship a tip 1st class costs the price of the envelope, the labor to package it and .66 cents IF you DON"T track it... They would have to track them or you can guarantee they would get the old "I never got it routine" from someone...
The tip offer was for advertisement to get players to try their tips that maybe had not tried them... If they send out tips then you can just sell it for your money back to someone who already uses and likes Kamui... Which would totally defeat the purpose...
If the voucher is transferable maybe someone would be willing to buy them off of the guys that cannot get to an authorized repair center or do their own tips......
I may end up doing Ki-Tech Samplers as PPV incentives at some point and I will have to SEND tips but if I had repair centers stocking the Ki-Techs I would likely do it the same was as Bertone...
My only thoughts are that they should have been very clear up front as to what the voucher was for... Maybe they were and we all missed it....
Chris
The tip offer was for advertisement to get players to try their tips that maybe had not tried them... If they send out tips then you can just sell it for your money back to someone who already uses and likes Kamui... Which would totally defeat the purpose...
If the voucher is transferable maybe someone would be willing to buy them off of the guys that cannot get to an authorized repair center or do their own tips......
I may end up doing Ki-Tech Samplers as PPV incentives at some point and I will have to SEND tips but if I had repair centers stocking the Ki-Techs I would likely do it the same was as Bertone...
My only thoughts are that they should have been very clear up front as to what the voucher was for... Maybe they were and we all missed it....
Chris
hey Ren...
do you have a clue my friend how much a tip costs them???
even a little clue??
i think not
but let me know
all the best,
smokey
do you have a clue my friend how much a tip costs them???
even a little clue??
i think not
but let me know
all the best,
smokey
and Ren...
i forgot to mention that the black ones cost even less than the 'natural ones'
i think we should all give thanks - right?
what can i say - nothing registers
G-d save us!
all the best,
smokey
i forgot to mention that the black ones cost even less than the 'natural ones'
i think we should all give thanks - right?
what can i say - nothing registers
G-d save us!
all the best,
smokey
Hey Straighpool, its too bad you see things this way. Have you considered this:
1) Why do you think Kamui tips perform so well, so consistently? Why does everyone like them? Might it have anything to do with the quality of the manufacturing, the quality control, the research and development? These things cost money. I mean, saying they are overpriced implies that you know the ins and outs of the tip business, how much it costs them to produce, etc. I doubt this. If you truly believe some other tip is as good, you would be crazy no to use that other one if it is so much cheaper. To me, I have a tip on my cue long enough, and play enough pool with it, that the differences in cost are irrelevant. I replace my tip maybe once or twice a year. If I pay $20 for a Kamui or $10 for something almost as good, I simply don't see that $10 as a savings...I see it as a waste.
2) Are you a tip installer? Are you aware that the installation techniques can *greatly* effect the performance of the tip? Your comment oversimplifying the installation indicates that you don't have a very in depth understanding of the procedure, or how much it can influence the way the tip plays.
3) I'm sure you are aware of the idea of a "dealer network". Manufacturers have an interest in protecting the value of their products, and also protecting the business of their distributors and installers. By controlling the distribution of their tips, Kamui is able to keep a better hand on the value and quality of its product, as well as protecting the interests of the installers. In the scenario where the gentleman had to drive a great distance...I'd probably just send him a tip. But if there is an authorized installer nearby, why not use them? If you have a "regular guy" you go to, why isn't he an authorized installer?
Some things to consider...
KMRUNOUT
Actually, I would say quite the opposite. See my previous post. I think it is specifically to protect its reputation that Kamui uses a network of authorized dealers and installers.
KMRUNOUT
With all due respect...if I was Kamui and I saw this post...I'd have one less "authorized installer".
KMRUNOUT
hey km...
are you saying that only mercedes can work on all of my MB's and only Harley can work om my HD's?
and, aren't they a bit more intricate that a cue tip? especially if they are advanced and flowed and ported, cammemd, and supercharged etc".
are you kidding me or trying to kid others or just kidding yourself? i haven't a clue.
is this a joke?
do you think harley can do the work of s&s and others?
just curious as how you judge kamui - your incredible company that has these unique secrets that only their endowed techs can accomplish to put a little tip on a little piece of wood. it must take an exhausting amount of time learning.
please tell me more...
and to imagine - only their techs can accomplish this. maybe i need to fly to another state to have one installed by a kamui certified tech = one who has a cue lathe. oh i forgot, i have a cue lathe.
all the best,
smokey
are you saying that only mercedes can work on all of my MB's and only Harley can work om my HD's?
and, aren't they a bit more intricate that a cue tip? especially if they are advanced and flowed and ported, cammemd, and supercharged etc".
are you kidding me or trying to kid others or just kidding yourself? i haven't a clue.
is this a joke?
do you think harley can do the work of s&s and others?
just curious as how you judge kamui - your incredible company that has these unique secrets that only their endowed techs can accomplish to put a little tip on a little piece of wood. it must take an exhausting amount of time learning.
please tell me more...
and to imagine - only their techs can accomplish this. maybe i need to fly to another state to have one installed by a kamui certified tech = one who has a cue lathe. oh i forgot, i have a cue lathe.
all the best,
smokey
What billiard product can you buy for $3? You don't play with the tip and yet you're trying to say its better than the chosen tip of MANY (not paid) top professionals? Worst post ever.
I agree with this 100%
Anyone who wants to move their kamui voucher, I'll take any of them for $5 up to the full 100 offered in the deal for the stream. (Watch my PM box explode..... I'd say while everyone wants to complain that nobody will actually sell them knowing that they got such a great deal)
Well then, since I'm "due" the respect..... please explain WHY you see it like that.
I didn't state anything that wasn't PUBLIC or COMMON knowledge.
If you want to become an installer, simply call them and they will tell you their process. That's the PUBLIC knowledge part of it.
Do I think it's a lame process to just send in a pic of a person standing next to a lathe and WHALA, you're an "authorized installer". Well..... uh yea !!! How do they know it's MY lathe or even ME standing next to it ??? Bet hey, it's THEIR process, they can do as they please, BUT.... it's also just my opinion.
I also said that it isn't rocket science or even science for that matter to installing a tip. That is pure COMMON knowledge. And that's not just my opinion, that's a FACT.
However, since you seem to only want to see and read the negative in my posts, you've obviously missed the point of my whole post, or maybe my last sentence didn't "catch" your eye since it wasn't a negative comment.
YOU ACTUALLY PROBABLY HAVE MORE "AUTHORIZED INSTALLERS" CLOSE TO YOU THAN YOU REALIZE.
Smokey, Chris (The Renfro) is quite qualified to speak on the matter. He is selling his own brand of tips that he is bringing to market, and has recently shipped out many free tips to folks here to try.
So, yes, he probably has a pretty good idea what a tip costs them.
I hope all is well with you, Smokey.
I've installed a BOAT LOAD of Kamui tips over the past three years, but I didn't realize I had to be "authorized" to do that. Boy, I hope the Kamui people aren't going to get the police after me!
Roger
"Authorized" dealers are going to be the only retailers capable and/or willing to give you a free tip in exchange for a piece of paper.... so that's why that is. Feel free to go to your guy down the street with your piece of paper and see if he hands over a $30 item for free. 
Vouchers don't bother me at all and I, in fact, fully expect to pay shipping costs to receive any such items. So that would be my only complaint, being that receiving one directly is not being any sort of option.
I see many true scams in other business, golf for instance is famous for at least two in particular.... One is winning a free golf club voucher that will cost you $99 in shipping to get. The other is the hole in one prize that advertised a huge payout only to find out that a hole in one puts you in an annual drawing for the prize with all the other winners that year.
As a devout Kamui user for many years now, my only fear about this kind of press/scenario is that sometimes even an association with being a scam is enough to tarnish an otherwise very good name. Hopefully not.
Vouchers don't bother me at all and I, in fact, fully expect to pay shipping costs to receive any such items. So that would be my only complaint, being that receiving one directly is not being any sort of option.
I see many true scams in other business, golf for instance is famous for at least two in particular.... One is winning a free golf club voucher that will cost you $99 in shipping to get. The other is the hole in one prize that advertised a huge payout only to find out that a hole in one puts you in an annual drawing for the prize with all the other winners that year.
As a devout Kamui user for many years now, my only fear about this kind of press/scenario is that sometimes even an association with being a scam is enough to tarnish an otherwise very good name. Hopefully not.
hey just - whoopes...
i had no clue about Ren! tks for cluing me in and Sri Ren - i hope you understand i am too old and useless too - i have no clue what the hell is going on in the world anymore???????
i know tom hay is making tips. and i applaud anyone making them. and of course i am happy to know that Ren is making them too. 'i think' or, should i say 'i am sure' a better tip can be made. i am sri but i 'will pull a Fats here' [he is my friend so i hope he doesn't mind me saying that] and not disclose how i know this becus i don't want a company like Kamui to know what i know.
as most can see, i do not like the Kamui Co. i do not want to hurt other AZB'ers feelings, but i find that the 'devout' [as RR said of himself] do not realize they are being had for the financial benefit of a company that does nothing more than most other tip companies and to boot charge unbelievable prices. as i said i will not say anything becus it may sound insulting to others. as some of you know, i have no bounds in being insulting, but only for a good reason and this certainly is not one.
Ren on his website: http://outsville.com/Outsville_Ki-Tech_Tips.html has really good info. i wish him well. and to Ren and Tom, i have a great deal of mold and die experience if you guys need my help.
but back to Kamui: i have an agenda here - i don't like these guys. i believe in fair business and i find them Outrageous! that's just me maybe, i don't know. but fair pricing is a matter of Honor to me and i find them dishonorable. i could go on for hours in explanation but this post already said enough.
and by the way Ren, i just bought your Tip sampler and with it a set of Templates just for Good Luck my friend.
to all, i hope you took my endless posts with understanding it is just one of my rants and found humor mixed with some indignation as i intended.
all the best,
smokey
i had no clue about Ren! tks for cluing me in and Sri Ren - i hope you understand i am too old and useless too - i have no clue what the hell is going on in the world anymore???????
i know tom hay is making tips. and i applaud anyone making them. and of course i am happy to know that Ren is making them too. 'i think' or, should i say 'i am sure' a better tip can be made. i am sri but i 'will pull a Fats here' [he is my friend so i hope he doesn't mind me saying that] and not disclose how i know this becus i don't want a company like Kamui to know what i know.
as most can see, i do not like the Kamui Co. i do not want to hurt other AZB'ers feelings, but i find that the 'devout' [as RR said of himself] do not realize they are being had for the financial benefit of a company that does nothing more than most other tip companies and to boot charge unbelievable prices. as i said i will not say anything becus it may sound insulting to others. as some of you know, i have no bounds in being insulting, but only for a good reason and this certainly is not one.
Ren on his website: http://outsville.com/Outsville_Ki-Tech_Tips.html has really good info. i wish him well. and to Ren and Tom, i have a great deal of mold and die experience if you guys need my help.
but back to Kamui: i have an agenda here - i don't like these guys. i believe in fair business and i find them Outrageous! that's just me maybe, i don't know. but fair pricing is a matter of Honor to me and i find them dishonorable. i could go on for hours in explanation but this post already said enough.
and by the way Ren, i just bought your Tip sampler and with it a set of Templates just for Good Luck my friend.
to all, i hope you took my endless posts with understanding it is just one of my rants and found humor mixed with some indignation as i intended.
all the best,
smokey
do you see the opportunity?
Just send in your photo, and, YOU TOO could be an authorised installer!
Just send in your photo, and, YOU TOO could be an authorised installer!
I have seen many streamers offering the Kamui tip offer. I have also heard each one explain it was a voucher to be used at a Kamui installer. Maybe you missed it in the explaination but it was a PPV you planned on buying anyway so its just a bonus.
I would call some of your local cue guys because you may find a installer in your area that can honor the voucher. I know a few installers that are authorized by Kamui but don't show on the website.
<double sigh> Ok, lets do this.
1. Kamui tips are good. In fact I recently reccmmended someone on this very forum to try one, if he is not concerned with the price of the tip. HOWEVER there are at least a handful of tips with equal or close to equal performance in my estimation. Kamui tips are commonplace at the moment so I recommended it over the others that may be more difficult to get hold of. For anyone that had to take a intro course in marketing or economics at the university, it just gets old to see how Kamui uses every cliche straight out of marketing 101 and people actually falling for it, the high pricing beeing one of those strategies. You would think that people would see through all the marketing bs and flashy videos, but there are psychological mechanisms at work that prevent this (I don't want to bore you more than necessary).
2. I am not a tip installer by trade. I have put on my own tips ever since I first bought a cue. At the moment I don't own a lathe either. I used to borrow one but I don't any longer. There are not a whole lot of things that can go wrong during a tip install, as long as you: a: make sure the tip and ferrule bond properly, b: do not overheat the tip and c: Cut it in such a way as not to delaminate it. A lot of the elaborate techniques used by some tip installers are in my opinon detrimental to the performance of the tip (excessive burnishing for one). I base my opionion on comparisons with a so called "proffesionally" installed tip and my "amateur hackjob". Guess which performed better?
3. Authorized installer: I am sorry but I think this is a gimmick. Its not a Mercedes its a piece of leather(or more precisely several pieces glued together). And the voucher thing looks suspiciously like one of those classic scams, though it may not be. I don't really have any stake in this, so I don't know why I bothered to post this to begin with, but here we are.
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OK, perhaps I'm a lucky one. Within a day of my emailing Kamui, I was advised my nearest authorized installer is at a local hall I frequent:
Hello, and thank you for contacting KamuiTips.com. According to the information you submitted, the closest installer is Don Liebes in Greensboro, North CarolinaPhone: 336-856-8800 Email: don@gatecitybilliards.com Please contact Don for authorized Kamui Tips service Thank you,KamuiTips.com
I don't get some folk here. A company could award someone in a contest a $1000 cue and some would b1tch you had to drop 82 cents in gas to go to the post office because you were at the pool hall when they tried to deliver. Good God, give Mark a reasonable chance to try and clear this up with Kamui. Or maybe, just maybe, you could email Kamui direct and explain you are 120 miles from the nearest authorized dealer - can you please just mail me my FREE tip?
But no, it's more fun to b1tch because Megan Fox didn't bring your tip and a lathe to your house and give you a happy ending.
Hello, and thank you for contacting KamuiTips.com. According to the information you submitted, the closest installer is Don Liebes in Greensboro, North CarolinaPhone: 336-856-8800 Email: don@gatecitybilliards.com Please contact Don for authorized Kamui Tips service Thank you,KamuiTips.com
I don't get some folk here. A company could award someone in a contest a $1000 cue and some would b1tch you had to drop 82 cents in gas to go to the post office because you were at the pool hall when they tried to deliver. Good God, give Mark a reasonable chance to try and clear this up with Kamui. Or maybe, just maybe, you could email Kamui direct and explain you are 120 miles from the nearest authorized dealer - can you please just mail me my FREE tip?
But no, it's more fun to b1tch because Megan Fox didn't bring your tip and a lathe to your house and give you a happy ending.
