Gus Szamboti For Sale

[skins]

here is a G. Szamboti delivered around Sep 78' being sold by the original owner. said to be the first cue Gus used the alternating dot and diamond "railroad" pattern in the sleeve. cue is in beautiful original condition with four original shafts, two used very little. serious cash offers only.

CUE WAS SOLD LONG AGO..... READ POST #48....

 

[alpine9430]

That is one beautiful cue.
Wish I could make an honest offer .
Good luck with the sale.

Myron

 

[paulybatz]

Honest OFFER!!!!!!!!!!!!

I gave a call with my honest offer, and OMG--you would have to max out all of your cards to come close to buying this cue. Many more zeros than I expected.

 

[TATE]

I gave a call with my honest offer, and OMG--you would have to max out all of your cards to come close to buying this cue. Many more zeros than I expected.

Pauly,

Don't feel bad or embarassed, because it's not your fault. Sure you low-balled the guy, but it's his own fault.

He said "serious" offers. So why post it here if you want serious offers? Come on! Especially now, with the stay at home cheapskates left here and all the serious buyers who know what they're doing will be at Valley Forge.

When you post on A-Z you can ask for a lot of offers. You can ask for low-ball, clueless, or light hearted offers. Ask for ridiculous, insulting, and what-do-you take-me-for offers. You can ask for bold but dumb offers, or feeble, meek offers. Soft spoken offers are good to ask for, or just e-mails with a number on them, like a 20 or a 40 (keeps 'em guessing).

You can ask for generous offers. You can ask for kinder, gentler offers. You can even ask for brooding, well comptemplated offers. Or a whisper from the side of your mouth offer. You can even ask for an offer note with cut out numbers on it.

But for chrissake, don't come to A-Z and ask for "serious" offers!

Chris

 

[Ken_4fun]

I hate to agree with Chris

I am so sick and tired. (Cant I be sick without tired).

IF you want to sell a cue and you want 10K, say you want 10K.

DONT SAY , MAKE OFFER
OR REASONABLE.

OMG

ARE YOU ASHAMED OF THE CUE OR NOT?

Damn

Ken

 

[skins]

anyone who want's to make a comment call the number and tell him. i'm helping out a freind. let him know your concers.

 

[cuejoey]

I am so sick and tired. (Cant I be sick without tired).

IF you want to sell a cue and you want 10K, say you want 10K.

DONT SAY , MAKE OFFER
OR REASONABLE.

OMG

ARE YOU ASHAMED OF THE CUE OR NOT?

Damn

Ken

Well i just don't get how ANYONE can expect a huge price with someone else's NAME on the item !

 

[jab]

If that cue could be had for 10k - i would have it already!!! I understand,with a cue such as this,it would be far better to post a ballpark price to exclude the tire kickers. I might have to re-think the value of my fancy gus now!!!

 

[td873]

Well i just don't get how ANYONE can expect a huge price with someone else's NAME on the item !

Maybe hoping there's another Al Morales out there that plays pool with loads of cash to blow.

-td

 

[PoolSleuth]

IF you want to sell a cue and you want 10K, say you want 10K.



Ken

Set a Price, and say or Best offer, and HAGGLE....

 

[paulybatz]

Well....

It cant be had for 10, thats for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cuejoey]

It cant be had for 10, thats for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? that or more ! ooohhhhhh my God.i am not making fun of this i just want to try to understand how ANYONE thinks or Anyone else can buy a cue with someone's name on it.it would be different like the cue for sale with Mosoni and Mantles name on it................i just cannot fathom that kind of money .i watch the Barrett Jackson car auctions and see cars that sold for about $5,000.00 when i was a kid and now fetch over $200,000.00.after being on this forum for years i see there are some very serious colectors.BUT every now n then i just shake my head and wonder about some of these prices.i guess it's like anything else if u want it bad enough u will pay it ..IF u have that kind of money...but this particular cue with some guys name on it ? again i am NOT tring to degrade anything or anyone...i am only trying to understand why.

 

[titlistsucker]

Maybe hoping there's another Al Morales out there that plays pool with loads of cash to blow.

-td

Maybe if its "Rick Morales"... the cue may have more value...

c'mon guys u mean u dun know Rick?

Bgrds
Rais

 

[titlistsucker]

Set a Price, and say or Best offer, and HAGGLE....

the prob is... sometimes the buyer perception of the cue value and the seller perception is way out...

many a times... i put in an offer..and the seller just got so insulted he wasnt that courteous replying my mail..keke

 

[Bamacues]

Being sold by the original owner, so I assume that is "Al Morales".

While this is a beautiful cue and certainly a great example of Szamboti's work, I have a question (for all you serious collectors). What impact does an owner's name add or detract from cue value such as this, assuming that the provenance offered is not from a legendary player, etc?

 

[TATE]

Being sold by the original owner, so I assume that is "Al Morales".

While this is a beautiful cue and certainly a great example of Szamboti's work, I have a question (for all you serious collectors). What impact does an owner's name add or detract from cue value such as this, assuming that the provenance offered is not from a legendary player, etc?

On highly collectible cues, a name is usually a desirable feature if it is original to the cue. It helps authenticate the cue. Did you know that Barry Szamboti does not "authenticate" Gus Szamboti cues? He will give an opinion and work on them, but there is no official declaration that guarantees it's a Gus Szamboti. So, this name helps the cue's lineage and having the packaging helps a lot too.

I run into this a lot with Palmers, Paradise and Rambow. Burton Spain did this too. Some people take the name labels off and it hurts the value more than they know.

On Palmer's I prefer having a name on the cue instead of "Original by Palmer" because it adds to the history. It also means that the cue was special ordered. Here's a case where I tracked down the original owner after 30 years and got a great story from him:

http://www.palmercollector.com/Model20KerryPage.html

On Rambow, if the cue is not personalized or signed, it hurts the value a lot.

So, in the case of a Szamboti, having the name probably doesn't help the value, but certainly doesn't hurt the value and helps authenticate the cue.

What hurts the value is the lack of overseas buyers at the moment paying super premiums for Gus Szamboti cues.

My guess (and it's just a guess) is that there are standing offers on this cue that are below the seller's expectations, and the seller is trying to get the highest price, even if it takes some time to get it.

Chris

 

[Bamacues]

"On Palmer's I prefer having a name on the cue instead of "Original by Palmer" because it adds to the history. It also means that the cue was special ordered. Here's a case where I tracked down the original owner after 30 years and got a great story from him:"

Chris, that's a great story....OK, I can see the significance, but only on cues that carry that kind of story (you know, I would bet that really good old cues like the Szamboti have more stories in them than we would ever believe).
Joe

 

[ribdoner]

"On Palmer's I prefer having a name on the cue instead of "Original by Palmer" because it adds to the history. It also means that the cue was special ordered. Here's a case where I tracked down the original owner after 30 years and got a great story from him:"

Chris, that's a great story....OK, I can see the significance, but only on cues that carry that kind of story (you know, I would bet that really good old cues like the Szamboti have more stories in them than we would ever believe).
Joe

This cue, as others of this ilk, is worth what it sells for.

A great story would be to buy it for apprx 25k and then, a year or two from now, Mr. Morales shows up wanting his hi-jacked cue back.

B sure to cross t's and dot i's on a deal like this NOT implying this is the case but, what if????

 

[DavidMNienow]

Interest & Availability

As a collector, if I was in a financial position to make an offer on the cue, I would honestly offer at least 1/3 off of the estimated value of the cue because of the name inscription on the cue. The name means nothing to me on a personal level, but it's something that people would question me about. And I personally would find the name inscription a total distraction to my own personal sense of design. Unless of course the name was of some major known player. But that's not the case here. In this case the name inscription serves, without any strong emotional connection to me, serves as a deterent to my potential buying interest. And I would feel that alot of potential collectors would feel the same since there are other Szamboti's that could be available without that concern.

Of course that concern could just as easily go away should the total marketplace of available Szamboti's get shrunk. Such as say the destruction of a major collection of Szamboti cues. The number of cues dwindle and therefore what remains goes up in value even more. And for the collector seeking any first Szamboti for their collection then the name issue could go away really fast as a concern when buying. You snag what you can when you have the opportunity in that cirumstance.

If the price wound up being right and I was financially able too, I would consider the cue as a potential first Szamboti for my collection. But considering the marketplace now I would see the same issue & diffulculty should I try to resell the cue in the future as part of an effort to upgrade my collection.

In my final analysis I feel like as the marketplace stands, any serious hi-end collector cue, Szamboti or otherwise, with some form of peronalized inscription for an unkown individual is going to degrade a portion of the total potential value of the given cue. And I would feel that the degradation of value would be at least 15% to 20% minimum. And would go up in relation to the given popularity and availability of a cuemaker's work.

Those are my thoughts on the topic.

David M. Nienow

Being sold by the original owner, so I assume that is "Al Morales".

While this is a beautiful cue and certainly a great example of Szamboti's work, I have a question (for all you serious collectors). What impact does an owner's name add or detract from cue value such as this, assuming that the provenance offered is not from a legendary player, etc?

 

[cuejoey]

Great post Dave thanks