Hal Houle CTE Explanation from 1997
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They're different things.
In my opinion the old one is the better of the two.
Those who have been around in the newsgroup community since back then know that the kinds of testimonials we see now about the new one were completely paralleled by testimonials about the old one back then.
Many people had "dramatic improvements."
It was the secret of many pros.
It had to be learned at the table
The people most concerned with understanding and critical analysis of the claims were criticized as being overly pedantic.
etc.
What would you say if you could follow a few steps and always be within 0.08" of the base of the ghost ball without ever using the ghost ball as a reference? Would that be called "set it and forget it?"
I'm gonna change my avatar to a peacock when we're done with this technical doc because that's how I'm gonna be walking from point A to point B for weeks to come.
Hopefully then Hal will get the recognition he deserves as one of the most profound pool instructors of all time (which he is - no doubt). His thought process is on another level. My prayer is that those who knock him and mock him will man-up and acknowledge his accomplishment when the proper information is presented.
I'm gonna change my avatar to a peacock when we're done with this technical doc because that's how I'm gonna be walking from point A to point B for weeks to come.
Hopefully then Hal will get the recognition he deserves as one of the most profound pool instructors of all time (which he is - no doubt). His thought process is on another level. My prayer is that those who knock him and mock him will man-up and acknowledge his accomplishment when the proper information is presented.
Very good point, Neil.
Thanks for the explanation, Mike. I wasn't involved in newsgroup communities back then, so I was under the impression that the claims about the pros using one aiming system all this time referred only to CTE.
Regardless of what some people might think my motives are here, I really would like to learn more about CTE so that I can offer it to any students I get who might not be able to find the proper alignment any other way.
Roger
Once plucked, prepared, cooked, and plated, peacock probably looks and tastes a lot like crow. As any good chef knows: when you're cooking for a crowd you should be prepared to eat your own dish
Lou Figueroa
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It's the Ron Popeil school of Internet marketing.
Not an idea that we can entirely dismiss.:wink:
It's the Ron Popeil school of Internet marketing.
Ron Popeil of Ronco Electronic products offered a money back guarantee:
"If you are disatisfied, return the product intact and we will give you another for free! Pay postage both ways with $X.00 for handling charges."
The $X.00 charges usually were more that the wholesale cost to Ronco ....what a deal!
Mike,the reason I use it on the break,is that when I walk to the end of the table to line up on the break,I would have to aim completely different than I do on any other shot.If I didn't use CTE
Peteypooldude
Ron Popeil of Ronco Electronic products offered a money back guarantee:
"If you are disatisfied, return the product intact and we will give you another for free! Pay postage both ways with $X.00 for handling charges."
The $X.00 charges usually were more that the wholesale cost to Ronco ....what a deal!
Better yet-Kevin Trudeau "gave away" his book for free-Just pay $19.95 S & H. So now when you read it and see its a rip-off and try to return it-guess what-no money back because you didnt pay to begin with. Pretty strong move.
I hope your not giving this info away for free.I don't mind paying for good info. Put a price on it and make it high!
I am not giving away CTE lessons,I am giving CTE lessons and they are not going to be free.And I don't think spidey or Stan are giving it away either
Peteypooldude
Peteypooldude
Mike,
As I said I get a nice solid hit and a better break using the CTE method to aim my break shot. That turned out to be a nice by product of adopting this method. Not everyone's results may be the same.
Your characterization of the process does not describe what I do. If you want to learn just what I do then I highly suggest that you find someone who can show it to you. There is no estimation involved - my bridge hand goes in the same place every time relative to the shot.
You're right that conceptually a straight shot (100% full ball collision) is the one which would seem to be the easiest to line up and execute.
How do you line up a straight shot? You tell me first how you do it and then I will tell you one method of how I do it. Not CTE.
Clearly once a person is in line then it's all about execution. But my question to you is how do you KNOW that you are dead in line on the straight shot before you pull the trigger?
You are not convincing. Your have been a thorn the entire time. Your comments have been biting and mean-spirited.
In my opinion it's a shame that people like you even have students. That you wrap your self in Jesus is a major travesty in my opinion.
If you really wanted to learn CTE then you wouldn't be so antagonistic. In this thread alone you have made at least two comments that show that you don't believe in it.
My observation is that your motivation is to hang on the coattails of others and put in your little quips of support for the "it's all nonsense side". Then a post like this on hedges your bet in your mind JUST IN CASE the the CTE side ends up being right. Do you approach your religion in the same way? Belief just in case the bible is right?
This is encouraging Dave. I am sure that a few folks will have the decency to apologize for the ridicule and cutting remarks they have made. Other people will likely squirm out of it citing that they are just glad to finally see some "proof" on paper. Even though I am certain that whatever you are doing could have been done by the senior billiard theoreticians among us a decade ago.
Thank you for all of your effort here.
This is getting a bit over the top....IMO
It is very easy to "read in" the wrong vibe of a post....Perhaps some of Rogers post's were supposed to be some form of humer...but... came accross the wrong way to you...
It seems (to me) like becuase your "think" Roger is dead set against CTE and that you think he is looking for ways to say that CTE does not work......In reality it is starting to appear to me like you are "looking" for comments from Roger that you can point at and say....."See you are bashing CTE"
IMO.....Roger is as much of a student of the game as anyone on this board....and probably does have a genuine interest in learning all he can about "all" aiming systems.
BTW...since you are bringing Religion into this...Ya know there are people in this world that even though they are avid supporters of a specific Religion.....Know more about "other" Religions than the avid supporters of that Religion.
Peace Out....
Hal explained the same system to me with a minor variation...He told me he called it the 3-line method.....Instead of using the edge of the CB to aim to one of three points on the OB....He exlained a method of aiming the "center" of the CB to one of three points on the OB.
What you will find interesting is that after CTE aimers do the bridge length and pivot adjustments....they will end up at one of the 3-line aim points.
I have looked at many many diagrams showing aiming methods....every one of them (so far) has ended up being one of the 3-line aim points.
I personally like aiming using center CB as much as possible (I actually do use a version of CTE for aiming real thin cuts)...but I really prefer a center CB starting point..
CTE users perhaps are more comfortable with the pivot method because it helps them confirm the aim is correct...absolutly nothing wrong with that.
You are going to do "something" to create your aim...it is just a matter of "what" is most comfortable for you.
Even the "PIITH" system users.....If you asked them the right questions in the right way...the real system they use would emerge.....weather they conciously know it or not...
best post ever
Roger is one of the nicest, politest, and most insightful posters on this board.
Given the choice between going to you for lessons, and him -- it's not even a contest -- Roger wins pulling away.
Lou Figueroa