Half stainless joint sneakys new line

and given the logo issue of the past, perhaps the use of a SS 1/2 joint by Sly may have just been too much, too soon Lisa.
(S) Logo is long gone when i last spoke with dennis i told him i would change it and that's what i did...need to say any more about it, but for the half SS joint goe's i will and i will make cues with this style joint and nobody will stop me for sure i don't care who likes it or not if you don't like it don't LOOK AT IT ......
 
And another thing for sure, I served in the Armed Forces of this great country to not only protect my rights but the rights of all Americans .... Many have given thier lifes for those rights ... The right to be an American to have freedom of SPEECH and a Democracy and not to be told what to do or say by anyone or how to say it ... I can be the easiest person in the world to get along with ... I'm loyal to my friends and try to be a good person in general ... But don't rub me the wrong way cause I won't take any nonsense ... I will post what I want to post here as long as it is with in the guidlines of AZ's rules ... I will promote whoever's cues I want to promote and will befriend anyone I choose to ... I will not be intimidated by JV or his half truths or anyone else just because they are jealous and don't feel things should be a certain way ...I will promote who's cues I want to promote and who's stuff I beleive in and I expect the same from all of you ... If you don't like what I have to say or what I post or who's cues I want too promote ... Simply do not read it or reply to it ... turn the page . it is that simple because I am going to be here doing my thing for as long as possible ...
 
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I just don't see the big deal about Leon using the SS half-joint he is using. It's a big pin flat-face joint. Dennis Searing's SS half-joint is a tight fitting piloted joint that I believe is a 5/16x14 with an insert in the shaft. There is a big difference in them.

As for King hawking Leon's cues... he took it too far. When posters constantly try to promote a cuemaker they sometimes end up hurting the maker, not helping him. That's what has happened here.

If a player wants to help a cuemaker they should have a few good things to say and then drop it. Then just let the guy's work do the talking.
 
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The King said:
I will not be intimidated by JV or his half truths or anyone else just because they are jealous and don't feel things should be a certain way ...
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I'M CONFUSED..... YOU KEEP USING THE WORD "JEALOUS", WHAT DO YOU THINK JOE IS JEALOUS OF? TO ME, YOUR USE OF "JEALOUS" MAKES NO SENSE IN THIS SITUATION.
 
I don't believe this is happening. Argueing over hit an the use of a joint. From the very beggining somebody has always built a better mousetrap an soon as that happens it is copied. I don't personally know who invented the s/s half joint. Its a heck of an idea, if it was Mr. Searing thank you. I think you have a much greater chance of achieving the balance you desire with very little weight in butt. Most of us probably know Herman Rambow invented the s/s joint. Next along came several cuemakers that utilized the same joint with Balabushka being the most prominent.
Inclosed are a couple of my pics, which always leave something to be desired. All of these cues are made by American craftsman. One is a double weddingband in mother of pearl, another is Hoppe style, another is oreo hoppe style with bumper an last is the proverbia half s/s piloted joint. None of the above cues were made by any of the cuemakers in this thread but they are all copies from one era or another.
This thread is kinda like my daddy can whip your daddy type thing havn't we all outgrown this sort of thing?
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JV[/QUOTE] Sly might build a great cue, he probably builds a very solid cue, but he should do himself a favor and let the work do the talking.


From the very start of Leon's post where did Leon say anything about Searings logo or his SS joint not once did he mention anything about Searing, so what is this BS about Leon doing himself a favor and letting his work do the talking.

The S logo has been a year or more ago and yet you people just can't seem to let it go Leon and searing have settled this little problem he doesn't use the S logo anymore and as far as the joint is concerned it's not patented so anyone can use it.

I don't know what the king has played with or what he likes but I have played with a searing and a Sly and I prefer the Sly not just for the hit but you get a lot of cue for the money. Leon makes a cue for the player of today not the player who has to wait 10 years for a cue.
 
Charlie Edwards said:
I just don't see the big deal about Leon using the SS half-joint he is using. It's a big pin flat-face joint. Dennis Searing's SS half-joint is a tight fitting piloted joint that I believe is a 5/16x14 with an insert in the shaft. There is a big difference in them.

Sly was wrong in using the S logo that so resembled Dennis' S logo. But IIRC, Sly quickly corrected it. He should be commended for that, IMO.

As for King hawking Leon's cues... he took it too far. When posters constantly try to promote a cuemaker they sometimes end up hurting the maker, not helping him. That's what has happened here.

If a player wants to help a cuemaker they should have a few good things to say and then drop it. Then just let the guy's work do the talking.
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Sounds more like a BENSEN (WASH. ST.) style joint than a SEARING.

This has been BENSEN'S joint of choice for many a moon.

i haven't read the thread so i apologize if this has been covered.

IMO i don't think Dennis is losing sleep over this.:smile:
 
The King said:
You also posted ... "He constantly pimps at every opportunity and even posts his phone calls, not cue reviews, his PHONE conversations. "

Your not telling the truth here either I have posted several reviews on Sly's cues look them up ... And yes I pimped an Exotic line for Leon at his request he sent me the pics and told me what to say ... He did not have time to do it himself because he has a back log of orders he is working on to get out to his customers ... His customers come first before any free time does to do what he wants to do ... I promise you any phone conversation posted ,Leon knew about or asked me to post I would not post any private conversation with out being told to or letting Sly know ... It is no different then the relationship Fatboy and Archer share. Again your Jealousy is showing along with your untruths... And I have posted many posts without a mention of Sly for your information...
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So what part of what you copied that I said isn't the truth? You just admitted everything I said, which was true.

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Posted by Classic Cues "if someone comes out saying "I've played with them all, and this cue plays better than a Sly hands down...

I have never said I played with them all ... Only said I have hit with a Searing and a Sly ... Again my personal opinion and more lies from you
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Really? Maybe you need to quote the whole line of what I said, and not just a few words. You say here you only hit with a Searing and a sly but your signature says other wise, so which is it? Also statement made in another thread "I have used several Schons , Joss's , Rempe's , McDermots ... And had several cue makers of which I will not name in this review build me cues ... Of all the cues I have had and shot with that I owned there is only one that I did not like and that was a production cue" So which is it?

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Posted by Classic Cues : " Now factor in the joint, factor is the bias that King has thrown in and actually attached Sly's name by saying how little he thinks of Dennis..."

Again more lies and untruths your good at this Classic Cues is this how you talk to your customers when selling cues ... What I said was this ...

" Bob you yourself know how Sly feels about Searing he does not idolize the man or wish to copy his work ... "
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You also stated "and this Varney made the first comment about Searing and Sly and I thought it was ironic because I know Searing is the furthest person from Sly's mind so" So was he thinking about Dennis or not.. it's clear to you said he wasn't, and that is what I said. So where is the untruth?

The King said:
And why would'nt Sly's friends do any less for him ... When you come out and label him as stealing from Searing to kick all of this off... What's good for the goose is good for the gander ... But you want your cake and to eat it too... What a joke ...
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I would expect them to, but hopefully they come in knowing exactly what it took for the s logo issue to die.

The King said:
LOL... And now I'm a dog because I wont set quitley by and let you tell lies and stretch the truth about me ... Rocket is right anyone can read through this thread and see your beef is not with Sly but with me... Your Jealous and making taking cheap shots at Sly while trying to get to me ... You resent me for pumping up Sly's cues and you feel that it is hurting your business and sales ... These are tough times indeed but if you stretch the truth to your customers like you did in this thread you may be your own worst enemy ... Your customers will see through your B.S. and stay away....
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I didn't say ONE bad thing about Sly, only you and your "pimping". I noted what it took to set the record straight about the S logo and gave my opinion of the loge coupled with the half joint. Nothing more, nothing less. Believe me you pimping 360 dollar cues ain't hurting me pal. Sly and me don't operate on the same side of the equator in the cue business.

The King said:
Simply look at the thread you have two others on your side and one of those said it was not worth his time ... Look how many have come to bat for Sly and his cues ... Sly must be doing something right he has a huge back order list and people love his cues and are not afraid to come forward and say so .... Your simply a major nit as someone pointed out on here ... Pissing and moaning in the wind and I no longer have time for you I'm taking my Sly's and going out to play some ... You can come watch and critque if you like you seem to have a passion for it .... later.
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I do look at the thread and I look at everything in totality. Your simply a public relations nightmare that forgets what the big picture is. As OTHER people have pointed out.

JV
 
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Sly might build a great cue, he probably builds a very solid cue, but he should do himself a favor and let the work do the talking.


From the very start of Leon's post where did Leon say anything about Searings logo or his SS joint not once did he mention anything about Searing, so what is this BS about Leon doing himself a favor and letting his work do the talking.

The S logo has been a year or more ago and yet you people just can't seem to let it go Leon and searing have settled this little problem he doesn't use the S logo anymore and as far as the joint is concerned it's not patented so anyone can use it.

I don't know what the king has played with or what he likes but I have played with a searing and a Sly and I prefer the Sly not just for the hit but you get a lot of cue for the money. Leon makes a cue for the player of today not the player who has to wait 10 years for a cue.[/QUOTE]

I never said Leon said anything...as far as the rest it's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

JV
 
The King said:
JV jealousy is the root of all evil ... I have just as much of a right to say what I want to say when I want to say it as you do .... I play with what I feel comfortable with I'm not in to cues to make a living, I'm not a flipper or looking to make a buck off of someone elses name like you do ... I'm a working man so like you say I buy what I can afford and I search for the best hit I can get in a cue ... And I promise you I will put my Sly or BHQ or Jimmy Lee or Patrick that you think are junk or a poor mans cue up against your out dated Bushka's or anything else ... I intentionally sought out these cue makers becuase they are up and coming cue builders and not fossills ...
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Yeah ok.. as long as you believe it... I guess.

The King said:
They are not looking to make a mint but looking to build a cue for the player ... Not something that belongs in a glass class to never be touched again ...Like I said these antiques have thier place in a collectors world ... But some of those old cues play like Antiques and that is what they are ... Out dated pieces of art no longer meant to play with ... Sorry if the truth hurts or you feel it may hurt you making a dollar off of someone elses name .. You have butted into several of my threads and what for your opinion means nothing to me
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Sorry, I as do most people who buy the "out dated pieces of art, and antiques" actually play with them. I've butted into this thread because you lied like a rug.

The King said:
I'm not a collector I use my cues to play with .... You make money off your cues by selling them at inflated prices ... My cues make money for me ... I'm honest and I'm not trying to flim flam anyone ... And I'm not like you I will not look down my nose at you simply because you are trying to sell cues for 30,000 dollars nor think bad of what you consider us poor folks to be ... Nor will I kiss up to anyone to sell a cue like that and profit from it
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No, I sell cues because I enjoy it. I don't turn my nose down at anyone and will converse equally with someone buying a 1500 dollar cue or a 5000 dollar cue. So don't pretend to know what you are talking about here either.

The King said:
Fact is either of these guys could of ran to a Lawyer and trademarked the "S" . Searing did and it just did'nt matter to Sly he simply counciled with his attorny and then chose to change the logo anyway even though he did not really have to
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Well, funny how the story changed now. Do you know what "prior art" is? I suspect you don't, so we'll end it here. But what would sound better for your pimping, "Sly could of kept using the logo" or "Dennis offered to make Sly a new template even after procuring a lawyer" of course the first one. You got called out for telling a fable, that's it. You can stick to the he didn't have to though. But for future reference, it would sound better if you said "Sly and Dennis mutually came to an agreement and Dennis even offered to make Sly a new logo template. Showing the character of both men, not trying to show Leon doing it and still being defiant.


The King said:
... And hey it looks alot better ... If your looking to spends thousands on a cue to put in a glass case go to someone like classic cues and spend your cash on something to put in a glass case and look at ... Chances are when you show it off to your guests they are going to think your a idiot for spending so much on a cue or a piece of wood .... How many Pro's do you see playing with these antiques ? If your a player looking for someone to build you a cue that is going to play lights out ...Call Leon Sly , Doug Patrick , BHQ or Jimmy Lee or someone like this that cares about building you a cue that is right for you and will be the monster player your looking for ... Guys like this care about the pool players and want to build a cue that is right for you at an affordable price
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You know I can really take a huge potshot here, and I won't. Because all the guys you mentioned don't deserve it.

The King said:
All this comes back to is jealousy ... If your a player and your giving your money to a up and coming cue maker that wants to build you a player and wants to put his cues in a players hands .. Then your not going into a Classic cue shop and plopping down thousands on a cue that is better to look at then it is to play with ... And your cutting into the profits of the guys that sell these antiques ... There are two types of Cues ... Just like they are two types of people in pool ... And they both go by similar sayings ... There are those that are born to play , Then there are those that born to watch ... there are cues that are made to be played with ... And there are cues that are made to be watched and admired ... Why do you buy a cue ??? Judging by your user name Classic Cues ... I would say you were born to watch...
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You're right.. I was born to watch. EDITED because the other cuemakers don't deserve what I wrote... just you. I could easily take your heart out here, and tell you what I think, BUT it won't be fair to Sly, Patrick or BHQ. They already have enough troubles with a loud mouth that doesn't THINK before he types. That is their burden, more than they deserve.

The King said:
This may anger some of the older more traditional guys who love the classics and sell and look to make a big profit off of them ... But hey these are the same people who screwd up our planet and goverment and have led the world to be in the shape it is in today ... Why are we listening to them??? We need to step up and make changes ... Not everyone is like that but watch AZ and watch some of the people here that feel they can tell others how and what to post what to buy and what to make and it won't take you long to figure out who I am talking about ... LOL...

Have a Good Day Classic Cues and remember God loves you too... Do you think I could interest you in buying a brand new Sly ??? I'm sure he would be willing to build one for you too ... He is a great person you know...
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Right.. guys using Balabushkas and Szambotis screwed up the government and planet. Ok Captain Loony tunes.. Sure if I ever decide to sell lower end cues, I'll call him. But like Marcus said, you don't get it, that is why he stopped posting. It's why I'll stop posting, your to dense and the only person who did get was Charlie Edwards.

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Wow how did I rate two long posts from you over my post pointing out the lies you are telling I must of really got to you , 3 posts in row to address these issues ...long posts at that :rotflmao1: ... Plus your coming out with all the name calling what a class act my sisters 3 year old has more class then that. ... And it is really bad when you have to go outside this thread to find a post I made a month or so ago that has nothing to do with this thread to cover up your ignorant and Lame lies. In fact I'm will to bet you took it out of a cue review I did of one of Sly's cues something you said I dont do ... As in this ....


"Really? Maybe you need to quote the whole line of what I said, and not just a few words. You say here you only hit with a Searing and a sly but your signature says other wise, so which is it? Also statement made in another thread "I have used several Schons , Joss's , Rempe's , McDermots ... And had several cue makers of which I will not name in this review build me cues ... Of all the cues I have had and shot with that I owned there is only one that I did not like and that was a production cue" So which is it"

No matter what I have hit with I have not hit with every cue made like you implied I said ... And if I'm not correct in what I posted why are you going through such great lengths to find old posts of mine that don't even pertain to this thread to try to cover your butt ... I would not buy anything from you as you are nothing but a spin doctor who's word can not be believed. And yes in my opinion the Sly still hit better then the Searing .. Two others on here have said that also .. If you had simply stated to me like you did to them that , that is thier personal opinion instead of lying and putting words in my mouth say what you said about me we would not be on this subject now ... I came across another thread last night where it apeared you were thumbing your nose at another cue maker ... My oh my your a piece of work who seems to think your God's gift to the pool community ... :bow-down: ...

On top of that you have resorted to the childish antics of calling names ...And posting rubbish and childish threats ... Like I could rip your heart out here but I won't ... Or I could say this or that, When you say nothing, absoloutly nothing at all ...:boring2: ... Grow up you are not even worthy of anymore of my responses or time my 5 month old grandson makes more sense then you ... And does not flip flop around near as much as you and he is trying to walk so you know he falls alot ...:thud: .... I'm out of here no sense in continueing this your not worthy of any further responses from me ... The only thing you did nice was using the three or four people in the thread that agree with you and stuck up for you ...:withstupid: .. You think they may be trying to get you to drop the over inflated price on that 30.000 dollar cue your trying to sell... lol... :kma: ...Thanks for waisting my time unlike you I will not respond in this thread any more ... But as for you, you can't seem to tell the truth so I'm betting your be back in it posting again ...:slap: ... Later it's be fun ... Good Luck with your on going attacks on up and coming cue buiders ...:smash:.... You seem to really hate then coming in and being a threat to you ... So no matter how much you post here your not jealous of Sly or what he and other new cue builders do to hurt you selling cues ... Your actions and replies in the other thread in the Gallery or review section here seem to imply other wise ... You really resent them . So again your not telling the truth here ..as you implied in the thread I saw last night you hope they fall on thier faces and all they can get is tip repair work... You want them to fail miserably and climb back into the hole they climbed out of ... Remember one day thier cues may be classics also and if you live that long you will be knocking on thier door to sell thier cues ... I hope they remember your resentment of them... :nanner: ....

I'm gone from this thread and anyone wityh any sense will be to... You have showed your true colors and what a classless act you are .. I have no further use for you and I bet many others dont either ... Later I'm out of here ... :outtahere:
 
The King said:
Wow how did I rate two long posts ... Later I'm out of here ...
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Hey dude.

Im a huge fan of Leon's also. Like I said earlier, im picking up my second cue from him this weekend. I helped Old Neo design the masterpiece he got from Leon as well.

However, you do come off as a little abrasive. Sure cuemakers are allowed to have their fans and Leon definately deserves his... but come on... you are taking it to the next level.

Along the lines of this thread.

The S logo has been a dead issue for almost 2 years now (possibly longer). The half joint is used by multiple cuemakers and is not a patent of any of theirs. The Half joint that Leon is using is completely different that the one Searing has used.

There is no issue here. Just a cue maker showing off a new cue and a new joint he is trying out.
 
Icon of Sin said:
Hey dude.

Im a huge fan of Leon's also. Like I said earlier, im picking up my second cue from him this weekend. I helped Old Neo design the masterpiece he got from Leon as well.

However, you do come off as a little abrasive. Sure cuemakers are allowed to have their fans and Leon definately deserves his... but come on... you are taking it to the next level.

Along the lines of this thread.

The S logo has been a dead issue for almost 2 years now (possibly longer). The half joint is used by multiple cuemakers and is not a patent of any of theirs. The Half joint that Leon is using is completely different that the one Searing has used.

There is no issue here. Just a cue maker showing off a new cue and a new joint he is trying out.
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DITTO BROTHER !!! Nice sneaky Leon.
 
Charlie Edwards said:
I just don't see the big deal about Leon using the SS half-joint he is using. It's a big pin flat-face joint. Dennis Searing's SS half-joint is a tight fitting piloted joint that I believe is a 5/16x14 with an insert in the shaft. There is a big difference in them.

As for King hawking Leon's cues... he took it too far. When posters constantly try to promote a cuemaker they sometimes end up hurting the maker, not helping him. That's what has happened here.

If a player wants to help a cuemaker they should have a few good things to say and then drop it. Then just let the guy's work do the talking.
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Ditto ! Ditto !
 
Lets do it right this time and just comment on Leon's new sneaky pete

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this is a new line of sneakys that I'll be coming out with i finished one for a customer yesterday and let's just say i will be making a few more no Doubt...here's another one in production half ss joint radial pin and that's how i'll be making them, very nice firm hit with good feed back and great ball control, this cue has been sold also give me some feed back on what you think of this style thanks to all Leon Sly.
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NOTHING NOT TO LIKE ! VERY NICE CUE !
 
The King said:
And another thing for sure, I served in the Armed Forces of this great country to not only protect my rights but the rights of all Americans .... Many have given thier lifes for those rights ... The right to be an American to have freedom of SPEECH and a Democracy and not to be told what to do or say by anyone or how to say it ... I can be the easiest person in the world to get along with ... I'm loyal to my friends and try to be a good person in general ... But don't rub me the wrong way cause I won't take any nonsense ... I will post what I want to post here as long as it is with in the guidlines of AZ's rules ... I will promote whoever's cues I want to promote and will befriend anyone I choose to ... I will not be intimidated by JV or his half truths or anyone else just because they are jealous and don't feel things should be a certain way ...I will promote who's cues I want to promote and who's stuff I beleive in and I expect the same from all of you ... If you don't like what I have to say or what I post or who's cues I want too promote ... Simply do not read it or reply to it ... turn the page . it is that simple because I am going to be here doing my thing for as long as possible ...
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What does your serving in the military have to do with the issue at hand? No one is disputing your right to free speech, democracy, or your patriotism. There are a lot of other veterans on here who probably cringe at the assinine things you just said, myself included.

Remember one thing, as much as a person's intentions are good, sometimes their actions can be detrimental to the person they are trying to help.

No one attacked Sly. Repeat, NO ONE ATTACKED SLY. You have turned this thread into a damn flame war with your animosity and eagerness to be Sly's defender. Let it go before you do any further damage to Sly's image on this site. You are the equivalent of Eddie Wheat, and your actions and posting risk doing as much damage to Sly as Eddie's postings and ramblings did to his own image and reputation.

Why don't you try letting Sly's work speak for itself instead of jamming your views about his work down peoples' throats? I have read quite a few positive things on here about Sly's work and all of it was based on someone's rational response to the quality of his work. That is the best way for word of his work and quality to get around, not some hot head.
 
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