Hardtimes and Dave Hemmah

Unfortunately, one of the biggest drawbacks is that for the last 2 years only 6 of 10 tournament room tables are used for tourney play at HTB. When at 8 of the 10 tables were used, the tournament had slightly better pacing of matches. Could the idea be to have a captive crowd for as long as possible and thereby sell more refreshments?:confused:

Hey Jay, where ya been for the $300 added 1-pocket on the Saturday before the first Sunday? Being out of stroke is not an excuse!

Martin


jay helfert said:
I just saw Tang. He said he finished second to Morro. It ended at 4AM. $540 for first and $350 for second. Ridiculous!

I say raise the entry to $40 and shut the field off at 64 players. The payouts will be bigger and it will end around Midnite.
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jazznpool said:
Unfortunately, one of the biggest drawbacks is that for the last 2 years only 6 of 10 tournament room tables are used for tourney play at HTB. When at 8 of the 10 tables were used, the tournament had slightly better pacing of matches. Could the idea be to have a captive crowd for as long as possible and thereby sell more refreshments?:confused:

Hey Jay, where ya been for the $300 added 1-pocket on the Saturday before the first Sunday? Being out of stroke is not an excuse!

Martin
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If you call me, I will come!
 
Fatboy said:
first game of 9B i plaqyed Tang Hoa I ran out, i should have quit a winner it was the first time I beat a champion the first game, I didnt and i dont think i'm going to ba able to level the score he is ahead of me, Dave is a class act too.

I did beat Jay Helfert at banks-his best game and quit winneer, i have been milking this victory for months in the hopes he comes back to Vegas and beats me, he wouldnt like playing 9B the way I played last night for the first hour I played, and Jay is a better player than me, i just like to give him a hard time.


man its strange i was shankng so bad from my meds i couldnt rack the balls i had someone else do it for me, but wow did I play good on a Diamond table with tough pockets-i was playing way over my head, I put a 4 pack on a friend 2 BNR, one 4,9 billiard one 9 on the break, the billard was awesone, with this back problem i'm either running racks like nothing or litterly cant make 4 balls in a row. there is no middle ground in my pain or game right now.
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Fatboy, YOU'RE THE BEST! YOU'RE THE GREATEST! And you're the most handsome too! Are you happy now? I'll take the 8 for a buck a game. Oh okay, I'll play you even. You got me!
 
jay helfert said:
Fatboy, YOU'RE THE BEST! YOU'RE THE GREATEST! And you're the most handsome too! Are you happy now? I'll take the 8 for a buck a game. Oh okay, I'll play you even. You got me!
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oh i finally got his under his skin, i have only been trying to get him to play for months since i pitched the shut out, perhaps the phone call helped too, Ali was the greatest, i'm better than most, not as good as some. As far as looks go your better looking and thank goodness your healthy,

i will be in LA this weekend and most of next week so you'll have all the time you need to play me, honestly i caught a gear the other night and it feels damn good, its been 5 weeks since i played good. I might not play like that for another 5 weeks,

so everyone is clear i have said this before Jay is a very good friend whom i have the highest respect for so for anyone confused this is total BS, i dont gamble with friends, and Jay is one of my best friends out side of pool as well, too bad he just cant play ;) . even worse too bad i cant beat him.
 
jay helfert said:
I just saw Tang. He said he finished second to Morro. It ended at 4AM. $540 for first and $350 for second. Ridiculous!

I say raise the entry to $40 and shut the field off at 64 players. The payouts will be bigger and it will end around Midnite.
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The tournament starts at 1pm! 15 hours!!! Outrageous!!!

No thanks. It's only worth it if ya got nothing better to do.

I like Jay's idea.

Though I gotta give H.T. kudos on having probably the longest running weekly tournament in the country. Every Sunday for 19 years (at the current location)!!!
 
Changes to the 1st Sunday of the month format will most likely occur after next month's tournament and the coming changes will likely be announced next month if decided upon by then. Among the options on the table are:

-Raising the entry fee to ~$40 and limiting the field to 64, slightly longer races.
-Keeping the 96 player cap and raise entry fee to ~$30, but shortening the race in either the early rounds or the money rounds.
-Reduce money added to about $5-600 and limiting to 72 or 64, same race format, same entry fee, then add a once a year tournament with higher entry fee, 64 entry cap and race to 6 and 5, and add money around $4-5000. Goal here being to add the same amount over the course of one year.

Those are some of the things management is considering to change the 1st Sunday. I guess I should visit this forum more often to keep everyone updated. With school and all it's difficult for me to keep the tournaments at Hard Times going especially with a 8am morning class on Mondays for this quarter. I'm doing especially terrible this quarter. Yay.

-Sam.
 
I say option #1. Raise the entry and cut off at 64. At 40 bucks, a lot of people will think twice about playing so there wont be the 110 people there with a 96 cutoff. Hence, the payouts will be better, finish earlier, and people get their play in with longer races. Better all around. jmo. peace

40x64= 2560+1000= 3560

20x96= 1920 + 1000= 2920

640 prize fund increase sounds good to me. your call though :)
 
ZeroState said:
Changes to the 1st Sunday of the month format will most likely occur after next month's tournament and the coming changes will likely be announced next month if decided upon by then. Among the options on the table are:

-Raising the entry fee to ~$40 and limiting the field to 64, slightly longer races.
-Keeping the 96 player cap and raise entry fee to ~$30, but shortening the race in either the early rounds or the money rounds.
-Reduce money added to about $5-600 and limiting to 72 or 64, same race format, same entry fee, then add a once a year tournament with higher entry fee, 64 entry cap and race to 6 and 5, and add money around $4-5000. Goal here being to add the same amount over the course of one year.

Those are some of the things management is considering to change the 1st Sunday. I guess I should visit this forum more often to keep everyone updated. With school and all it's difficult for me to keep the tournaments at Hard Times going especially with a 8am morning class on Mondays for this quarter. I'm doing especially terrible this quarter. Yay.

-Sam.
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Option 1 and you got me. I'll come down and work out with the young guns.
 
If the goal is to shorten the day then part of option one makes little sense. I guess it would depend on how big of an increase the races would become.

How about 2 $500 added events per month. Limit each to 64 and allow for early entry. Of course make the players pay but it would be nice to come down on friday or sat night and play a little while reserving a spot
for sunday.


Also I wonder what % of the field you lose by going to $40 entry. I would think that at a minimum 65% of the players are there due to the $20 entry.

If you lost 50% of the field then you would have to double the entry to keep the same prize pool.


I honestly dont know how many I would play if it were $40. Some but then again I dont play many at $20. Not the entry but just a bad day for me. So the ability to pay and get a spot would be nice when I can make it.


I'm sure you guys will work it out. Its a little long now but I can still remember pool after The Color Of Money came out. Everyone played til daybreak and weekly events went all night.
Action was everywhere and even bangers played for 1/2 a day and all of the night.
I can honestly remember having to leave for the pool room (1 hour drive)
by 4-430 so that we could get there and not have to be on the waiting list. This was in Dothan Al of all places.
 
If you dont want to cut the field smaller then you have to use more tables. If you use more tables for the first two rounds then you can close off the tables earlier and make them available for rent. Which would make more money for the pool hall.
Also people would not have to wait so long and the losers wont have to wait till 5 o clock to be knocked out. Which would make more money for the pool hall.
 
Did anybody attend Sunday's match in Rancho Cucumango that Frank mentioned in the first post? How late did that run?
 
To the 100 plus players that turn out for our 1st sunday event THANK YOU :D We will be making some adjustments to improve the 1st Sunday tournament, as always, trying to make it better for the players and the room. Hard Times thanks you for all your support.


Sincerely,
Brook from Hard Times
 
jdr said:
Did anybody attend Sunday's match in Rancho Cucumango that Frank mentioned in the first post? How late did that run?
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Yes

I couldnt play due to work but I went by that evening. I wasnt there until it was finished but I was told it ended at 3am.
That time surprised me. When I left at 9pm I thought that they were down to the final 12. The four on the winners side were finishing up when I left.

There were 94 players and I think this is the payout ....
1st- $650
2nd- $450
3rd- $250
4th- $200
5-6th- $125
7-8th- $100
9-12- $75
13-16- $50
17-24- $20
I think he paid the high 3 "C" players $50
Ricky B and Lorry split the 1st and 2nd spots I think. Ricky was in the hot
seat after beating Francisco Galieno (sp?).
I cant remember all the finishes but Hemmah, Ernesto, and Oscar were all in the 7-8 range or below I believe.

I was a little surprised by the 94 player turnout. Good to see Alex get a
good field.
 
jdr said:
Did anybody attend Sunday's match in Rancho Cucumango that Frank mentioned in the first post? How late did that run?
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The Stix 10 Ball Tourney- that ran until 3:00-3:30AM. Yep 3:00AM started about 1pm. I guess its normal for larger tourneys to run VERY slow in terms of moving along. I'm sure the one little extra striped ball just made things longer. I dont know how many tables were used.

I didnt play the tourney for one that I couldnt hang out for a minimum 3-5 hours even if I went two and out.. but watched, I'm sure the STIX staff did the best possible, as they are all hard dedicated workers. ALot of regulars from H. Times, provided some good matches.
 
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Agreed.... even if you're saying it to make a few extra bucks. How u been anyway? Pvt me.


MexPoolPlyr said:
I say option #1. Raise the entry and cut off at 64. At 40 bucks, a lot of people will think twice about playing so there wont be the 110 people there with a 96 cutoff. Hence, the payouts will be better, finish earlier, and people get their play in with longer races. Better all around. jmo. peace

40x64= 2560+1000= 3560

20x96= 1920 + 1000= 2920

640 prize fund increase sounds good to me. your call though :)
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I like option #1. I play for the competition, and the competition won't be deterred by the higher entry fee. :cool:
 
TorranceChris said:
I like option #1. I play for the competition, and the competition won't be deterred by the higher entry fee. :cool:
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When Chris speaks, the world listens. :)
 
TorranceChris said:
I like option #1. I play for the competition, and the competition won't be deterred by the higher entry fee. :cool:
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Hi Chris,

Thanks for the rep and the kind words.
Are you friends with Dave Hemmah? If so please tell him my wife says hi. He probably knows her by Sugar. When she was out in Long Beach he was giving her lessons and she has always had nothing but nice things to say about him. I met him briefly one night but I doubt he remembers me. I know he remembers my wife as she is one you don't forget.

Thanks,

BVal
 
My dads idea

My dad suggest a single elimination 128 limit. Races to 11 for pros, 10 semi pros, 9 everyone else. That way when two big name players draw each other, one of them wont affect the rest of the field. It finishes faster and easier to run. Also, the weaker players have a better chance at making the money as a good draw will help them advance quicker into the field. More upsets are possible and there can be action as people will still have the desire to play if they get knocked out. Morro, Dave and the rest of us can start ring games and all that good stuff...Just another option to consider.

In case thats not a desirable option, we can have a 128 max same format as before, but go single elimination like the WPBA format/Japan format... That way people can get rewarded for coming on the losers side and fighting back to the single elimination knockout stages. Whatever though, up to you guys, a side pot like I told you Sam is a good idea too just like in Arizona. It generates a bigger pot. More money at stake, more spectators, more business for Hard Times. Everyone wins. JMO, pze
 
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