Has anyone tried out any of the fake cheap copycat cues from China?

[cuesblues]

Out of all of the replies I have received so far, not 1 of you have been of any help, with an answer to my question (because not 1 of you have ever tried out one of the cues that I asked about). You just make assumptions, based on what facts? Only your own opinions based on what you think about a cue that you know nothing about (other then that it is from China, which could quite possibly be of decent quality), and have never personally seen or tried out before.

I should have known that it would be pointless to ask that question, that came to mind, after finding a few cues that I found online. I was only curious, but I have received nothing but useless replies. If you have never tried out the cues in question (based on personal experience, about what I asked about), then why reply? You all think you are so smart, and I am so stupid, but the fact is that you really do not know any facts about what you think you are so sure about, because you have never personally tried out either of the cues in question.

I just received an email reply back about this Peri (brand name) cue, that I thought looked really nice, and the price of the cue (direct from China) is $475 plus $35 shipping.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...01876.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.1.Wq91Uu

At that price, I can only assume that the quality is not junk.

How can you possibly know that these cues are such junk if you have never tried out out, or seen one in person? All that you can do is reply back, about your personal experiences about other cues that you have tried out (that were from China).

The cues made nowadays from China may be from decent to high quality, for the most part.

You should not judge what you do not know, or have not personally tried out.

What do you expect, you're dealing with a bunch of pool players.
Heck they can't even get your name right, half of them are calling you Jason.
Personally I think I was helpful with my Elite Cue review and subsequent price quote.
In addition my"you get what you pay for" comment was the same advice my father-in-law used to give me when I would ask him for free financial advice.

All of the billiard products, cues whatever, that are fakes like the cheap Predator look alike break cues, are all junk.
Cues made in China are not necessarily junk (like Predator-Lucasi) but the stuff from those Chinese wholesale places is all junk, not worth owning for any reason.

 

[WVShootist]

That sounds like the $116 Players Sneaky Pete that one of the posts mentioned.
Used maybe $70?
The $167 Players HXT come to mind also.
Used maybe $110?
Well within your budget and desires.
Inexpensive.
Worthless enough not to sell it.
Buy it used.
I got two wraped HXT cues, new condition for $60 each on fleabay.

E-bay just had a Plain Jane, Tiger Maple Mali for $50.
E-bay just had a Joss Plain Jane, Dark Wood with Tall Pearly Diamonds for $175 shipped.
E-bay just had a 80's Viking with points and veneers for $75 shipped.
Craigslist in LA LA Land.......
Mali with rings, points, veneers, MOP inlays for $130.
McD D-21 for $75, original shaft broken and tossed in the 80's, came with 80's black ring shaft.
Adams Regal and Rivera for $150 each.
1990's Mezz UJ-10 and Mezz jump/break. $200 for the pair.

I'll 2nd this. That $116 Players Sneaky is a great cue, costs well... $116 and it looks pretty classy/non-obnoxious which I especially love. I wanted a 'haul around to random bar' cue and the Players SP definitely delivered. Mchnhed definitely did me a favor by recommending it.

 

[justinb386]

What do you expect, you're dealing with a bunch of pool players.
Heck they can't even get your name right, half of them are calling you Jason.
Personally I think I was helpful with my Elite Cue review and subsequent price quote.
In addition my"you get what you pay for" comment was the same advice my father-in-law used to give me when I would ask him for free financial advice.

All of the billiard products, cues whatever, that are fakes like the cheap Predator look alike break cues, are all junk.
Cues made in China are not necessarily junk (like Predator-Lucasi) but the stuff from those Chinese wholesale places is all junk, not worth owning for any reason.

I just thought it was interesting because the company claims that the cues come with an 8 piece laminated shaft. If they have the tech to make an LD shaft like that, then maybe they can make a decent cue.

I do not have the money to gamble on a cue purchase that might be junk (like you said), so that is why I created this thread. It is clear to me that nobody who has replied so far has tried out one of those cues though, and even if they have, they would probably never publicly admit it on here anyways.

The Elite cue sounds interesting, because it comes with a Radial pin joint (which I love). The last several years, when ever I tried out any cues with the Radial pin (even the $100 DP cues, that he auctions off on ebay), I liked the way they hit. When ever I see a joint like that, I assume the cue is good (or at least decent) quality. People on here keep telling me that the joint has nothing to do with the hit of the cue, but I just do not feel like that is true, based on my experience shooting with them.

I asked about these Hercules cues on here (and facebook) awhile back (hoping that I could find a review, from anyone who has tried one out), and did not get a single reply from anyone who has ever used one.

http://www.shootersbilliards.com/Hercules-Pool-Cue-H303.html

I was interested in that cue, because it looked nice and interesting to me, and because it appeared to come with a Radial pin joint.

Anyways, thanks for the offer on the Elite cue (if that was an offer). I will keep it in mind.

When ever I see any cues with either a 5/16x18 flat faced or piloted joint pin (other then some of the Helmstetter cues that used that joint), or anything with the Uni Loc joint (other then Predator, or Lucasi), I think it might be very low quality (based on how I feel about the looks of it). I think I have a pretty good idea about what looks to be good quality vs what appears to be poor quality. Anything else that I am unsure of, I might ask a question about, on a forum like this.

 

[justinb386]

I'll 2nd this. That $116 Players Sneaky is a great cue, costs well... $116 and it looks pretty classy/non-obnoxious which I especially love. I wanted a 'haul around to random bar' cue and the Players SP definitely delivered. Mchnhed definitely did me a favor by recommending it.

Yeah, these Players HXT cues might be the best hitting cue for around a $100, because they do come with a Kamui tip installed on them, and they are wrapless (which I like).

https://www.seyberts.com/purex-hxtsn-pool-cue

 

[Maxx]

Buy one, then post your review. Enlighten us please.

PS
Better yet start your new career as a Billiards Journalist. Tell them you are doing cue reviews and maybe they'll send you a couple to review, for free! Problems solved.

 

[Chopdoc]

What do you expect, you're dealing with a bunch of pool players.
Heck they can't even get your name right, half of them are calling you Jason.
Personally I think I was helpful with my Elite Cue review and subsequent price quote.
In addition my"you get what you pay for" comment was the same advice my father-in-law used to give me when I would ask him for free financial advice.

All of the billiard products, cues whatever, that are fakes like the cheap Predator look alike break cues, are all junk.
Cues made in China are not necessarily junk (like Predator-Lucasi) but the stuff from those Chinese wholesale places is all junk, not worth owning for any reason.

Best Post.

:thumbup:


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[Icon of Sin]

PS
Better yet start your new career as a Billiards Journalist. Tell they you are doing cue reviews and maybe they'll send you a couple to review, for free! Problems solved.

Yes!!! It could be the exact opposite of the Monster Cue column that was in Inside Pool/Billiards Digest/whichever one it was.

You could say things like...

"Never have I seen points painted on so sharp"

or

"The stickers on this cue make me think I bought a cue with really nice inlays for a mere 50 bucks"

or

"People said that after this cue was in the states for more then a week it would warp, but I think the tip coming off the table just an inch on a table roll isnt really that bad"

 

[KRJ]

why reward "fraudsters" ? So, no, don't buy their crap, don't give them money, don't support them in the least.

 

[Dave-Kat]

Why bother to post ever here again ? From what I read you are never satisfied no matter what advice is offered. You twist it, turn it, make excuses, no one understands, everybody is so mean.

By now, any sane person would understand you 'get what you give' and you have given 'ZERO' here and taken allot.

There are true respected Members here who have been kind and tried to help you over the years and you continue to ignore suggestions and honorable advice and go your own way only post up and complain about your sour deal and disappointment.

You continue down your self dug 'rabbit hole' looking for advice that's never taken, crying about budget, looking for a 'steal' on the Magic Holy Grail pool cues that will lift your sprits and your game ( if you even play ) but are never pleased.

Just buy that choice Alibaba cue and try to return it haha after it arrives looking nothing like what was presented in pic's and specs.....but please, do us all a solid and don't come back crying here fool.

You make your bed.....sleep in it:groucho:

-Late,

 

[Str8PoolPlayer]

You should probably buy as many as possible...

I guarantee he has a Collection of them. Trolls just gotta be Trolls.

 

[mchnhed]

You should probably buy as many as possible...

I guarantee he has a Collection of them. Trolls just gotta be Trolls.

Preoaidr is the Best.
Put Away the Rest.

 

[WildWing]

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[hang-the-9]

Seriously, I need something so worthless that I could not get $20 out of it. I can't hold on to anything that has much value at all. I always end up selling it.

Maybe a session or two with a therapist may help. No one is forcing you to sell anything. If you don't have the self control to keep something maybe you just like feeling regret all the time. You are either wishing you kept something or bought something all the time.

There are plenty or worthless cues out there, probably not much playing ability out of those though, so you either need to keep a good cue, or just stop trying to buy stuff.

 

[SARDiver]

Maybe a session or two with a therapist may help. No one is forcing you to sell anything. If you don't have the self control to keep something maybe you just like feeling regret all the time. You are either wishing you kept something or bought something all the time.
<snip>

Why pay good money to bore the hell out of one guy when you can bore the hell out of dozens for free?

 

[jimmyco]

Out of all of the replies I have received so far, not 1 of you have been of any help, with an answer to my question (because not 1 of you have ever tried out one of the cues that I asked about). You just make assumptions, based on what facts? Only your own opinions based on what you think about a cue that you know nothing about (other then that it is from China, which could quite possibly be of decent quality), and have never personally seen or tried out before.

I should have known that it would be pointless to ask that question, that came to mind, after finding a few cues that I found online. I was only curious, but I have received nothing but useless replies. If you have never tried out the cues in question (based on personal experience, about what I asked about), then why reply? You all think you are so smart, and I am so stupid, but the fact is that you really do not know any facts about what you think you are so sure about, because you have never personally tried out either of the cues in question.

I just received an email reply back about this Peri (brand name) cue, that I thought looked really nice, and the price of the cue (direct from China) is $475 plus $35 shipping.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...01876.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.1.Wq91Uu

At that price, I can only assume that the quality is not junk.

How can you possibly know that these cues are such junk if you have never tried out out, or seen one in person? All that you can do is reply back, about your personal experiences about other cues that you have tried out (that were from China).

The cues made nowadays from China may be from decent to high quality, for the most part.

You should not judge what you do not know, or have not personally tried out.

You asked if anybody noticed these cues and offered that it might be an interesting discussion.

Has anyone ever noticed...

...but I thought it might be an interesting topic to talk about.

 

[justinb386]

I was referring to Players, Lucky Mc D's, Action, China etc. Get new one @ 21oz play it, if you do not like it, remove weigh bolt, weigh it, do math and shorten accordingly to 20oz, 19.5oz 19oz, 18.6oz etc. Those bolts are generally about 4 oz. China Butts without bolt are generally about 12oz. SO plenty of room to lighten cutting bolt without spending $6 for new bolt every time you want to bump up in weight unless hardware store has same diameter and pitch bolts.

I recommend this to everyone who does not know what weight balance they prefer with new cues. Easy and cheap ( Justin) to lower down and 'tweak' to liking.

Have a good day,

-Kat,

I recently checked out this NV (Nick Varner) cue at a pawn shop (priced at $45), and it felt like it weighed about 12oz. It was the lightest pool cue I ever held in my hand. It had a really nice looking layered tip on it (looked like a good quality tip, like maybe a Kamui). I offered the pawn shop $20 for it, but they refused. They were firm on $45. It was a really junkie looking cue, and it felt like junk too. I was really wanting something (anything) to shoot with though (thinking that maybe I could find a weight bolt to put in it, and it might hit decent), and thought it was worth maybe $20, but no more then that.

 

[justinb386]

I wonder how much those $700 (and up) Predator cues actually costs to make, and how much they are paying the Chinese workers to make them. I wonder how big of a profit they are getting out of each cue, and how many unsold cues they have in their inventory. How many players are there out there who not only really want a $700 (at the minimum price) Predator, but can also afford to buy one? Is it really that hard to believe that maybe the same people who make the real deal, also make an unlicensed copy, and name it something else? That is if the cues only cost like $100 (for example) to make. I have no idea how much the real deal authentic Predator cues cost to make, but I imagine they are made in China because it is cheaper, and because they want a much higher profit out of each cue. Why can't they just move their company to the US? They are charging enough money for their cues to afford to do that, right? Maybe these copy cat cues would not be around if Predator would have never relocated to China. I do not know. At least then I would not have these stupid idea's about the copy cat cues in the back of my mind though (if Predator cues were made here in the US, or maybe Japan). Predator could hire Miki (maker of Mezz cues) to make their cues. Miki made cues for Adam, from what I read. Why must they be made in China? Higher profits are the only reason that I can think of.

 

[ipoppa33]

I wonder how much those $700 (and up) Predator cues actually costs to make, and how much they are paying the Chinese workers to make them. I wonder how big of a profit they are getting out of each cue, and how many unsold cues they have in their inventory. How many players are there out there who not only really want a $700 (at the minimum price) Predator, but can also afford to buy one? Is it really that hard to believe that maybe the same people who make the real deal, also make an unlicensed copy, and name it something else? That is if the cues only cost like $100 (for example) to make. I have no idea how much the real deal authentic Predator cues cost to make, but I imagine they are made in China because it is cheaper, and because they want a much higher profit out of each cue. Why can't they just move their company to the US? They are charging enough money for their cues to afford to do that, right? Maybe these copy cat cues would not be around if Predator would have never relocated to China. I do not know. At least then I would not have these stupid idea's about the copy cat cues in the back of my mind though (if Predator cues were made here in the US, or maybe Japan). Predator could hire Miki (maker of Mezz cues) to make their cues. Miki made cues for Adam, from what I read. Why must they be made in China? Higher profits are the only reason that I can think of.

Wow, just wow! That is a lot of questions, are you able to sleep at night with all this worry?

 

[hang-the-9]

I wonder how much those $700 (and up) Predator cues actually costs to make, and how much they are paying the Chinese workers to make them. I wonder how big of a profit they are getting out of each cue, and how many unsold cues they have in their inventory. How many players are there out there who not only really want a $700 (at the minimum price) Predator, but can also afford to buy one? Is it really that hard to believe that maybe the same people who make the real deal, also make an unlicensed copy, and name it something else? That is if the cues only cost like $100 (for example) to make. I have no idea how much the real deal authentic Predator cues cost to make, but I imagine they are made in China because it is cheaper, and because they want a much higher profit out of each cue. Why can't they just move their company to the US? They are charging enough money for their cues to afford to do that, right? Maybe these copy cat cues would not be around if Predator would have never relocated to China. I do not know. At least then I would not have these stupid idea's about the copy cat cues in the back of my mind though (if Predator cues were made here in the US, or maybe Japan). Predator could hire Miki (maker of Mezz cues) to make their cues. Miki made cues for Adam, from what I read. Why must they be made in China? Higher profits are the only reason that I can think of.

Name one company that wants to make products at a higher cost and get less profits. Sure, some smaller places that may make things in the US. A shop in the Catskill mountains near a hotel I go to every year sells US made shirts. They are about 3 times the cost of what a shirt costs in Target or Khols for good quality shirts. How many do you think they sell and how much do you think the company that makes them is worth? Cars are probably the last major thing that is made in the US and look what happened to that, the industry nearly collapsed.

 

[HawaiianEye]

I wonder how much those $700 (and up) Predator cues actually costs to make, and how much they are paying the Chinese workers to make them. I wonder how big of a profit they are getting out of each cue, and how many unsold cues they have in their inventory. How many players are there out there who not only really want a $700 (at the minimum price) Predator, but can also afford to buy one? Is it really that hard to believe that maybe the same people who make the real deal, also make an unlicensed copy, and name it something else? That is if the cues only cost like $100 (for example) to make. I have no idea how much the real deal authentic Predator cues cost to make, but I imagine they are made in China because it is cheaper, and because they want a much higher profit out of each cue. Why can't they just move their company to the US? They are charging enough money for their cues to afford to do that, right? Maybe these copy cat cues would not be around if Predator would have never relocated to China. I do not know. At least then I would not have these stupid idea's about the copy cat cues in the back of my mind though (if Predator cues were made here in the US, or maybe Japan). Predator could hire Miki (maker of Mezz cues) to make their cues. Miki made cues for Adam, from what I read. Why must they be made in China? Higher profits are the only reason that I can think of.

Do the math. An American worker wants at least $15 an hour to flip burgers. How much are they going to want to run a lathe and work in a finishing spray booth with dangerous chemicals?

You can get people in third world countries to do it for less than $1 an hour.

Figuring out the cost of cues is easy. The most expensive pieces of wood can't be over a couple hundred dollars for a butt and shaft. The joint is a couple bucks. The bumper is about a dollar or two. The ferrule is about the same. It only costs about $5 for 50 yards of linen. The most expensive tips are about $25.

So why does something with about $200 MAX worth of material sell for $2,000 or more?