has anyone used elforyn?

dave sutton

dave sutton

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has anyone used it?
http://www.cuestik.com/store/product.asp?ITEM_ID=5977&DEPARTMENT_ID=191

i got some from atlas and just wondering if anyone liked it?

seems very soft while cutting. no real grain like ivory. played ok. i had a pressed triangle but i play with an everest so there is some difference. hit ok i guess

it can never be mistaken for real ivory and that was my main concern

its average i guess. depends on how clean it stays. i didnt play with it long enough

nothing beats the real thing
 
It hits nice...is soft but haven't had one crack or break yet. I believe its a good ferrule for those who like a softer hit. Downside is it absorbs moisture a bit like the old fiber material....so...it can possibly swell a tad and not stay as flush as linen base ferrules. It does make nice Hoppe rings. You are right though...it'll not be confused with true ivory...at least by those who know. :)
 
Varney Cues said:
Downside is it absorbs moisture a bit like the old fiber material....so...it can possibly swell a tad and not stay as flush as linen base ferrules.
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I disagree with that statement. In fact, I'd say Ivorine4 absorbs moisture much more than elforyn.

I just did some ferrule material weight comparisons and marked the faces with a felt pen. The writing on elforyn was easily wiped off whereas the Ivorine4 soaked it up like a sponge, spreading so rapidly the letters were barely legible. Needless to say, it couldn't be wiped off at all.

Although it machines easily, I don't consider the hit to be soft, either. I've seen it compared to Atlas' MPI but I think it's much closer in hit to a cueball ferrule. And when I think about it, a cueball ferrule machines very easily, too...but it has a pretty hard hit.
 
dzcues said:
I disagree with that statement. In fact, I'd say Ivorine4 absorbs moisture much more than elforyn.

I just did some ferrule material weight comparisons and marked the faces with a felt pen. The writing on elforyn was easily wiped off whereas the Ivorine4 soaked it up like a sponge, spreading so rapidly the letters were barely legible. Needless to say, it couldn't be wiped off at all.

Although it machines easily, I don't consider the hit to be soft, either. I've seen it compared to Atlas' MPI but I think it's much closer in hit to a cueball ferrule. And when I think about it, a cueball ferrule machines very easily, too...but it has a pretty hard hit.
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Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I understand what you are saying about the pen test. What I'm talking about is how much the material swells. Iv-4 is the hardest ferrule material ever offered...anyone who has ever cut any Iv-4 rod will tell you that. But the Iv-4 doesn't swell much...it has pretty much the same properties as most all linen base material. When finished correctly it is also very resistant to absorbing chalk stain as well. The Elf material will indeed swell quite a bit. More than once I've installed it flush only to go back later and its not flush any longer. Sand flush...wait...presto, not flush again. Of course this was in the heat & humidity of a 100 degree summer as well. I will say that I've yet to have an Elf ferrule returned for any problems so apparently everyone is happy so far. I too disagree about it not hitting soft. If you make the Elf ferrule capped & leave the cap thick like Jerry did on the early SW cues...it'll hit, dare I say, similar to the mythical Micarta. No ping, tink, clank...just a softish hit and it seems to move the cueball well. Its definately NOT the ferrule material of choice for those who say prefer the old melamine.;)
 
Varney Cues said:
...it has pretty much the same properties as most all linen base material. ... The Elf material will indeed swell quite a bit. More than once I've installed it flush only to go back later and its not flush any longer. Sand flush...wait...presto, not flush again. Of course this was in the heat & humidity of a 100 degree summer as well.
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I've only installed about 3 dozen Elf ferrules in the past 2 yrs but I've never had one swell up in that time. If you were dealing with extreme humidity & temps, I'd venture to guess the wood would be more susceptible to swelling than any synthetic. Is it possible that was the problem & not the elforyn?

The specs on this page http://www.eurowest-cues.de/front_content.php?idcat=75&changelang=2 claim that elf has "little or no water absorption ? hydrolysis-stable"

And the Iv4 is quite a bit different than the other linen based phenolics. Nothing came close to absorbing the felt pen like Iv4, none approach the abrasiveness of Iv4, none squirt quite as much as Iv4 and all look better than Iv4. The only similarity is in the fact that it is still a member of the linen based phenolic family.

I'm not a big fan of Iv4. Can you tell :-)
 
i like the way iv-4 cleans up. it hits pretty hard also. thats 2 main factors in why i use iv-4 alot. in nj our temps are crazy. i always do ferrules that are flush then a small lip appears. out moisture level it crazy. nothing i do wrong but it seems to happen.

i was shocked how soft it was while cutting. also i dont like how yellow it is. more beige accually. reguardless i dont think ill be using it much.

i like em real not fake :D :D :D
 
dave sutton said:
i like the way iv-4 cleans up. it hits pretty hard also. thats 2 main factors in why i use iv-4 alot.
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I like the Ivorine 4 a lot too. Its absolutely bulletproof, is very clean with no trash in the material, polishes nice, and hits very good & crisp. Nothing wrong with the looks either...bright white (you can see the weave a bit though...who cares) with no pitting and chalk wipes off easily as well. It is rough on tools though. If you try to cut a rod section with a hacksaw...it'll flatten the teeth in seconds. You need carbide to cut it. ;)
 
i think its more for boutt caps and joints not furules
masecraft has the same thing for much less i believe it comes
from the same manufacture
 
brianna187 said:
i think its more for boutt caps and joints not furules
masecraft has the same thing for much less i believe it comes
from the same manufacture
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Have you tried it out yourself? ..or is that statement hearsay? Before stating this, please inform yourself better (no offense)

Elforyn is a world wide registered trademark that is only availlable through Atlas in the US, or for the non US market through us (Eurowest). Elforyn is of course a very good material for ferrules as we use it for over 2 years as such on our own cues. There is no other material that comes that close to real ivory, in terms of looks, tooling-machining, and finishing, then Elforyn.

Markus
Eurowest Custom Cues
 
dzcues said:
I just did some ferrule material weight comparisons...
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hey bob, want to share your results? i'm interested in finding out which ones were the lightest
 
McChen said:
hey bob, want to share your results? i'm interested in finding out which ones were the lightest
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I only checked the materials I had on hand. If anyone is interested in where another ferrule material fits in this table, send me a sample & I'll include it in the chart. Send a larger, unmachined sample if possible so I can calculate the necessary volume/weight relationship. No tapped ferrules, please.

Or...if you have access to an accurate digital scale, measure the dimensions of your sample and let me know the exact dimensions and the weight to the nearest tenth of a gram. I'll do the math & fit it into the table.

http://dzcues.com/ferrule_weight_comparison.htm
 
dzcues said:
I only checked the materials I had on hand. If anyone is interested in where another ferrule material fits in this table, send me a sample & I'll include it in the chart. Send a larger, unmachined sample if possible so I can calculate the necessary volume/weight relationship. No tapped ferrules, please.

Or...if you have access to an accurate digital scale, measure the dimensions of your sample and let me know the exact dimensions and the weight to the nearest tenth of a gram. I'll do the math & fit it into the table.

http://dzcues.com/ferrule_weight_comparison.htm
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thats a very nice peice of referance material. thank you. do you think you could include the deminsions you used and the actual weights you came up with in your table? thanks again.
 
how white is it??

dave sutton said:
i like the way iv-4 cleans up. it hits pretty hard also. thats 2 main factors in why i use iv-4 alot. in nj our temps are crazy. i always do ferrules that are flush then a small lip appears. out moisture level it crazy. nothing i do wrong but it seems to happen.

i was shocked how soft it was while cutting. also i dont like how yellow it is. more beige accually. reguardless i dont think ill be using it much.

i like em real not fake :D :D :D
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hey dave...how white is that stuff??..i'm looking for the whitest material i can find for butt caps/joints...if you want to sell it let me know...i'm right down the pike....thanks, joe
 
dave sutton said:
its average i guess. depends on how clean it stays. i didnt play with it long enough
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Hi Dave,

I have just visited the shop of our local cuemaker for a minor repair. Mike uses Elforyn exclusively since about 2 years, and he showed me several shafts which are this old. They were clean, and the material stays very smooth to the touch.

Regards,

Detlev
 
that's great info bob, thanks! the only 2 things i'd like to see on there are titan and phenolic. if i had any of it, i'd send ya some
 
i like that chart,i am surprised the ivorine-4 is so heavy.even heavier than ivory,wow.
 
yeah i was surprised iv4 was so heavy, while iv3 was so light. knowing that i'd rather stick with the old iv3 stuff. i wonder if they are discontinuing that in favor of iv4. also i was suprised that saber-t didn't do better. it was marketed as a low deflection ferrule, but it doesn't seem too light. predator uses titan, so i would expect it to be pretty light, would be interesting to see how that one stacks up.
 
yes,i bet it is light.i think it is a polycarbonte type material.i bet that ivorine-4 in 1" piece really pushes the cue off line.
 
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