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I'm a big fan -- good job. The shot at :35 and the one after it were amazing.

I see some hints of Florian in some of your shots -- how big of an influence is he in your shot designs?

Dave
 
Florian and I are very good friends. We practice together before heading out to our tournaments location. In some ways we have the same style but in others not so much. I can you can say it works both ways.
 
With all sincerity, I have to say you're giving Venom a run for his money.

I like the complexity of many of the shots. Its hard to explain but just when you think that a shot is decent as it is, you seem to add a few more twists
and turns to it. More obstacles, balls for example. You take one trick, ramp it up and make it tougher. And also showier.
 
@Blue Hog Ridr

That is exactly my point. After seeing the same type of trick shots over and over for years it is awesome to spice it up a bit and make them already established shots into even greater and more entertaining. Viewers do not want to see repetition they want to see new unseen creations. Those who mainly stick to trick shots like myself and Florian have that spark within us that is always creating new shots.
 
Nice video. There were what seemed to me to be a lot of repetitive shots though. I disagree that trick shot audiences need more entertaining. 95-98% of trick shot audiences are new each time someone performs. Therefore they have not seen the shots before. I still get the greatest audience reaction from one of the simplest shots...the railroad shot.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

SteveMarklePool said:
That is exactly my point. After seeing the same type of trick shots over and over for years it is awesome to spice it up a bit and make them already established shots into even greater and more entertaining. Viewers do not want to see repetition they want to see new unseen creations. Those who mainly stick to trick shots like myself and Florian have that spark within us that is always creating new shots.
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@ Scott Lee

For my comment above I was directing that more toward the video part of trick shots. Often when you see trick shot videos a lot of the shots are repetitive.

Yes with tournaments I agree that there is always new stuff that is being invented. Any competitive tournament always needs new shots so their opponent has a hard time with it because they have never seen the shot before.
 
I see you keep a case of "o'douls" to help mellow you out prior your trick shot display,,and the bottles double as props.;) Once again ,impressive work ,, I look forward to your next vid..:thumbup:
 
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Scott Lee said:
Nice video. There were what seemed to me to be a lot of repetitive shots though. I disagree that trick shot audiences need more entertaining. 95-98% of trick shot audiences are new each time someone performs. Therefore they have not seen the shots before. I still get the greatest audience reaction from one of the simplest shots...the railroad shot.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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For the most part (especially televised trick shot competitions), it's always the same old boring shots...i.e. "the shot book." You can't compare the railroad shot to any of Steve's shots, or more specifically -- compare a competition "book" trick shot artist to someone who invents their own exotic shots.

Someone like Mike Massey is the MAN at "the book;" however, he'd get destroyed with "open" shot for "open" shot with today's young elite. I think someone like Florian or Steve (as an example) has a chance to make any of the book shots that Mike is a strong favorite on; whereas, Mike has zero chance to make one of the exotic invented shots these young up and comers are developing.

I always thought trick shots were flat out boring and always changed the channel when they're on. Since Florian and now Steve, they're raising trick shots to a new level and redefining the genre. Before too long, ALL trick shot pros will have to do this kind of exotic stuff to compete well. The "book," in my humble opinion, will soon become a thing of the past.

That said, you're prob right about the audiences "out in the field." Most of in-person trick shot audiences aren't the hard core pool fans. They just wanna see shots "go." Which, I think, brinks up a good question for Steve.... how repeatable are these shots? Could you do them during an exhibition or do you default to stuff like the railroad shot? If they're not repeatable, I guess it negates my entire point/post.

Dave
 
SpiderWebComm said:
For the most part (especially televised trick shot competitions), it's always the same old boring shots...i.e. "the shot book." You can't compare the railroad shot to any of Steve's shots, or more specifically -- compare a competition "book" trick shot artist to someone who invents their own exotic shots.

Someone like Mike Massey is the MAN at "the book;" however, he'd get destroyed with "open" shot for "open" shot with today's young elite. I think someone like Florian or Steve (as an example) has a chance to make any of the book shots that Mike is a strong favorite on; whereas, Mike has zero chance to make one of the exotic invented shots these young up and comers are developing.

I always thought trick shots were flat out boring and always changed the channel when they're on. Since Florian and now Steve, they're raising trick shots to a new level and redefining the genre. Before too long, ALL trick shot pros will have to do this kind of exotic stuff to compete well. The "book," in my humble opinion, will soon become a thing of the past.

That said, you're prob right about the audiences "out in the field." Most of in-person trick shot audiences aren't the hard core pool fans. They just wanna see shots "go." Which, I think, brinks up a good question for Steve.... how repeatable are these shots? Could you do them during an exhibition or do you default to stuff like the railroad shot? If they're not repeatable, I guess it negates my entire point/post.

Dave
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Yeah trick shots is definitely changing, especially in the past couple years. Its funny to see how some people do not respect what Florian and I do with the new shots. Many older trick shot players are just simply caught up in the past and they find it hard to keep up with these new types of shots. Therefore they do not accept of this change.

It depends on what shot it is. For my shows I have chosen what shots I shoot very selectively. I try and do all of the types of shots rather than just focus on a few specifically. Those in attendance all have a different opinion of what type of shot they like so therefore I do all sorts.

The railroad shot is one of my shots I shoot in shows. I am not sure which particular one you are thinking about but if it is Mike Massey's shot I shoot something similar but with a stacked ball involved.
 
Well...with your young age, I guess your comment about (me) not respecting the "younger" guys is just misunderstanding. BTW, I totally respect Florian, and he has already shown himself to be a strong competitor...even against the "old guard" players. Your skills notwithstanding, you cannot even hold a candle to the stroke skills of the top 3-C trick shot guys, like Sayginer (but again, you are very young). This is one reason why, more than 10 years ago, a big group of us trickshot guys, flocked to tableside, to watch Sayginer put on a trick shot demonstration in Las Vegas, after the World Championship (this was long before he came out with his amazing video). I disagree with what Dave said, about Massey or any of the top guys. Given the practice, they can shoot the same shots with the same skill. I've been doing trick shot shows "in the field" for all age audiences for almost 20 years. I think I'm qualified to express what does appeal to these audiences (and you're right, I'm not talking about you-tube videos).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

SteveMarklePool said:
Yeah trick shots is definitely changing, especially in the past couple years. Its funny to see how some people do not respect what Florian and I do with the new shots. Many older trick shot players are just simply caught up in the past and they find it hard to keep up with these new types of shots. Therefore they do not accept of this change.

It depends on what shot it is. For my shows I have chosen what shots I shoot very selectively. I try and do all of the types of shots rather than just focus on a few specifically. Those in attendance all have a different opinion of what type of shot they like so therefore I do all sorts.

The railroad shot is one of my shots I shoot in shows. I am not sure which particular one you are thinking about but if it is Mike Massey's shot I shoot something similar but with a stacked ball involved.
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Scott Lee said:
Well...with your young age, I guess your comment about (me) not respecting the "younger" guys is just misunderstanding. BTW, I totally respect Florian, and he has already shown himself to be a strong competitor...even against the "old guard" players. Your skills notwithstanding, you cannot even hold a candle to the stroke skills of the top 3-C trick shot guys, like Sayginer (but again, you are very young). This is one reason why, more than 10 years ago, a big group of us trickshot guys, flocked to tableside, to watch Sayginer put on a trick shot demonstration in Las Vegas, after the World Championship (this was long before he came out with his amazing video). I disagree with what Dave said, about Massey or any of the top guys. Given the practice, they can shoot the same shots with the same skill. I've been doing trick shot shows "in the field" for all age audiences for almost 20 years. I think I'm qualified to express what does appeal to these audiences (and you're right, I'm not talking about you-tube videos).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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I'd love to watch you shoot trick shots sometime. I know you're one of the best instructors out there. Would love to have you post a video of your best shots---- just don't drop the elbow ;)
 
Why, Dave? I have nothing to prove to anyone...and you've SEEN them all before...being done by somebody else (that's how I learned them)! LOL I will, however, let you know the next time I'm doing a college show in your area, and you can come watch!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

SpiderWebComm said:
I'd love to watch you shoot trick shots sometime. I know you're one of the best instructors out there. Would love to have you post a video of your best shots---- just don't drop the elbow ;)
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