It's not that hard to tell it's cortland. A Gus blank Schon????? That would be the worlds most valuable Schon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where can I find these at
Help ID this old cue? Cortland wrap, etc.
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It's not that hard to tell it's cortland. A Gus blank Schon????? That would be the worlds most valuable Schon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where can I find these at
im sorry i guess your right.... there was only one fishing line company?
It's not that hard to tell it's cortland. A Gus blank Schon????? That would be the worlds most valuable Schon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where can I find these at
you dont dont know what kind of cue it is but you know what kind of wrap?
Let me help you out here, it is much easier to identify the cues wrap than to identify who made the cue. By the components used to make the cue (The Phenolic Material used in the rings, The cues butt Cap, The Patina or lack of finish left on the cue, and the cues wrap) it pretty obvious that the wrap material is Cortland Irish Linen. For your information, the Cortland Line Company stopped producing Irish Linen used for cues in the late 1970's. The main type of Irish Linen that was used by cue makers during that time frame was Cortland #9 White with Green Speck , and this type of Linen is visually different that any modern day copies.
When all of that is considered that is how he knows it Cortland Irish Linen, it certainly isn't Rocket Science!!!!!:smile:
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that sounds like something you might of read in a book................
so i guess your sure its not ashaway????????
its funny i would think it would be much easier to identify the cue.
so i guess your sure its not ashaway????????
its funny i would think it would be much easier to identify the cue.
No I did not quote the above from a book, anyone who makes a living dealing with collectible cues is completely aware of the above information.
I suspect that the cue is a Gus Szamboti, the veneers are right in color and length, the Pin looks good along with the trim rings at the joint, the cues wrap also dates the cue to the style of cue Gus was building during the 1970's.
The reason it is not that simple to identify are the forgeries / Copies that were made during the late 1970's and through the 1980's after the cues Gus was build became sought after. This is the real problem, and don't forget Gus did sell blanks to some individuals, so apparently some of the fakes were made with forearm blanks that Gus made, so that is where the problem is.
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oh thanks for clearing that up for me.
dont look like gus's to me.
you say he sold blanks? maybee that schon guy bought this one?
dont look like gus's to me.
you say he sold blanks? maybee that schon guy bought this one?
If this is the original shaft, I think you can rule out Schon. The wood in the piloted area of the joint of the shaft would be the same material as the black linen used in the collar, at least that is what every older Schon shaft looks like that I have seen, includine my R-14's 3 shafts. However, Gus's shafts looked very similar to this one. You may have a good one there! I would send it to Barry as others suggested.
Dave
Ok, they are all right, it's a Schon and I'll give you 1500 for it. The most anyone with half a brain ever willingly paid for "schon".
Merylane how can you argue with manone, you hack. :thumbup:
JV
Merylane how can you argue with manone, you hack. :thumbup:
JV
Robert you little Troll you!!!!!!!!!!!!:grin-devilish: Thanks for the laugh Mr. Weir is Adam still making your cues?
Oh and by the Way Robert, hows the weather in Safety Harbor, Florida!!!
Have a nice day Robert!!!!!!
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Robert you little Troll you!!!!!!!!!!!!:grin-devilish: Thanks for the laugh Mr. Weir is Adam still making your cues?
Oh and by the Way Robert, hows the weather in Safety Harbor, Florida!!!
Have a nice day Robert!!!!!!
John makes them, not Adam!
Thanks for the correction Tommy, but I always thought that it was Robert Weir is John, Robert Weirs middle name!!!!!!!:scratchhead::scratchhead:
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LOL .. oh man.. clueless doesn't describe you at the moment... but trust me he knows his older cues... the only part you got right was Florida...
JV
Thanks but I don't think I am that Clueless I have one of his cues that was made by Adams. I think the model I have is a RW-9, but I am not sure, but any way JV I take no offense to your comments!!:smile:
Come on guy's Robert Weir is a sly bird but I new he would show up on this board sooner or later. Have you noticed since I outed him he has not posted again!!!!!
Have a great Fourth of July Fred!!!!!
Come on guy's Robert Weir is a sly bird but I new he would show up on this board sooner or later. Have you noticed since I outed him he has not posted again!!!!!
Have a great Fourth of July Fred!!!!!
i wonder i you might share your ways of idenifying cortland?
The only early Schon with a plain ebony butt and veneered points close to this one is the R-6, but the veneers are wrong for an R-6. I doubt that it's a Schon, I don't see it on this website which lists the early Schons.
http://www.palmercollector.com/Schon/SchonFirstCataloScan.html
http://www.palmercollector.com/Schon/SchonFirstCataloScan.html
Why Robert, there are three ways I use to identify Cortland, Thread Count (Speck Pattern), the age of the cue, and having handled it close-up for comparison to modern copies that were produced from the 1980's to date.
Robert, I suspected that the linen on the cue pictured was Cortland because of the age of the cue. The Phenolic material used in the collars is certainly the type of material that was being commonly used through from the late 1960's into the 1980's. I could be completely wrong in my assessment, and I also know there is much more to it, and nothing is positive without having the cue and material in my hands.
Robert, help me out here, I answered your question, please answer mine which one of the rolls of linen below is cortland?
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Close-up #3
Thanks Robert:smile:
I'd like to get a cue Robert...*lol*
~wishes like hell I could afford one your cues...hell wish I just could buy you a beer~
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