help please id cue

[champsic]

anybody know which cue is this?

joint is 5/16x18
minimum 30 years old,
weight a ton
wrap was white with brown spots
cue arrived from Germany,Berlin

i am interested about cuemaker and appr. value if someone knows

i am thinking about refinishing but i dont know is it worth
thanks

 

[8pack]

anybody know which cue is this?

joint is 5/16x18
minimum 30 years old,
weight a ton
wrap was white with brown spots
cue arrived from Germany,Berlin

i am interested about cuemaker and appr. value if someone knows

i am thinking about refinishing but i dont know is it worth
thanks

Not sure but it looks like a Helmstetter.

 

[LMB]

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Not sure but it looks like a Helmstetter.

Not too sure either but, Helmstetter is a good guess though. I know Joss made some cues with 5/16x18 joints. It's tough because a lot of guys used these over the years. I think even though he made mostly blanks, Burton Spain used this joint on his cues. Looks looks a well made cue. Good luck with your search.

 

[Chopdoc]

Not JOSS, not even close. Not Helmstatter either.

It's a Taiwan cue made by the same company that made Cobra, Mizerak, Competition, etc.....

In the US they were imported and branded by Harold Miller in Florida whose son David went on to form Axiom cues.

Slyfoxx and Craftmaster cues were also an offshoot brand and were made by the same company.

50% chance the joint collar is loose, 90% chance the joint ring on the shaft is loose. Typical for these cues. The plastic ferrules suck. If the ferrule is replaced, a good tip put on, and any joint collar or ring issues taken care of they can make a decent shooter....maybe.....some are, some aren't. Oh, and that's not a linen wrap, it's a synthetic imitation.

Like these:

 

[champsic]

thanks, i could agree maybe but i am 100% sure that is linen wrap,and also 100% sure that joint and shaft collar is firm like a stone, seems unbreakable even after 30-40 years,not loose so ...
anybody else please...

 

[OTB]

looks like import cue, value $100 or less I would say..........

 

[8pack]

The joint collars remind me of a Mali.Is there any kinda faded letters on the butt cap.

 

[Chopdoc]

thanks, i could agree maybe but i am 100% sure that is linen wrap,and also 100% sure that joint and shaft collar is firm like a stone, seems unbreakable even after 30-40 years,not loose so ...
anybody else please...

Well, they're not all loose......but many are as I said.

Some were linen, but most were not. Some of the "limited" cues had linen and even leather.

I understand you fell 100% it is linen, but in the picture it does not look like linen at all.

But of course, I am not there, have not seen the cue in person, and have never touched it........

So.......I could be wrong........

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

I think its a German made Cuesenmeister myself.
Later on he teamed up with an Italian wood crafter named Gepetto.

They were renowned for making short cues. If you were to tell a lie, they became larger. I could be wrong.

It could just be the pictures but if you look at the third pic down, the ring work on the butt sleeve looks pretty shoddy.

But what the heck, of all the nice cues I have, I play with a reworked $75 EBay cue much of the time. If you like it go hit some balls and have fun.

 

[Chopdoc]

I think its a German made Cuesenmeister myself.
Later on he teamed up with an Italian wood crafter named Gepetto.

They were renowned for making short cues. If you were to tell a lie, they became larger. I could be wrong.

It could just be the pictures but if you look at the third pic down, the ring work on the butt sleeve looks pretty shoddy.

But what the heck, of all the nice cues I have, I play with a reworked $75 EBay cue much of the time. If you like it go hit some balls and have fun.

You realize of course that in the next few months we will see an Ebay listing of a similar cue after somebody researches that cue and finds this post. That listing will include the Cuesenmeister history and the association with Gepetto. Of course it will say that if it isn't one of those, it's a Balabushka. It will sell for about $200.00.

About a week after that we will get somebody logging in with their first post asking about the cue that they found in the attic after their grandfather died. Interestingly they post the pictures copied from the Ebay auction. They want to know what it is worth.....if it might be a Balabushka or one of those German Cuesenmeister cues.....and of course no way is it for sale......

It will happen.


What you completely forgot to add was that Gepetto was the cousin of George Balaboti and was actually married to the daughter of a Mr Herman Rambone.

Now it will fly much better. :thumbup:

 

[champsic]

i got 4 offers for sale this cue but it is not for sale,few hundred bucks is no meaning to me much , i am just interested about refinishing this cue and keep it like memory for old times,also i aminterested about cuemaker and Marcus S. told me something about some italian cuemaker so this could be something

 

[Chopdoc]

Hundreds? US dollars?

Well, if people are offering hundreds, I have some cues to sell. :thumbup:

If it has sentimental value then the offers mean little.

It might be tempting to believe it's something else, but on this one I am 99.99% sure it is what I think it is. It is an earlier version of one I think, probably early eighties. If any Italians were involved they were importers.

Personally, I think it's a cool cue. Enjoy it.

 

[champsic]

In first hour when i post this thread (at first it was on wanted/for sale section) i got pm offer for 350 usd.When i said it is not for sale ,just info need,gentleman asked again what condition of the cue is about any deflections of butt and condition of shaft and offer me again 350 usd.
Again i said it is not for sale just i wanna know cuemaker and does it worth it refinishing the cue.After this pm there was no answer.That is why i am a bit suspicious about.

I am not interested about make some money,i got enough cues at the moment,players or backup players.This cue is in my club at this moment and my members using it for break cue.I was thinking to refinish this cue at S.Sherbine and put it in my club like a memory in old pool players.

 

[champsic]

any new opinion maybe?

 

[pdcue]

any new opinion maybe?

Old opinion - new source.

The chopping doctor is spot on on this one.

Do a search - USA was flooded with these cheap imports starting
in the late 80s.

$350 would be a fair price... for a dozen of 'em.

Dale

 

[Spider1]

I've seen Helmstetters from the early 80's and they don't look like this:

Just sayin'

 

[mortuarymike-nv]

slyfox

i came up with a slyfoxx the other day. i use it as loner cue
i dont think i could get 50 bucks out of the cue.
a bar cue plays much better

hey doc how have you been
mike

 

[Chopdoc]

I've been OK Mike, thanks for asking. Been hanging around on here a lot.

Still working on opportunities to drag myself out of a bad place, but we're holding together.

Looks like your work is coming together nice. The chalkers look great. Can't wait to see more out of your shop! :thumbup:

 

[Chopdoc]

I've been OK Mike, thanks for asking. Been hanging around on here a lot.

Still working on opportunities to drag myself out of a bad place, but we're holding together.

Looks like your work is coming together nice. The chalkers look great. Can't wait to see more out of your shop! :thumbup:

EDIT:
You came up with a SlyFoxx?
I am acquainted with the importer. He knew Mizerak actually and is related to the guy who started Cobra and the Mizerak line. I am working on putting together some of that history.

What's it look like? Push in bumper or screw on? The old ones were screw on. Points/veneers or plain?

Saw one sell for $150 recently, you might be surprised.