help with selecting a tip

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I have always used an elkmaster(Blah) tip. and have no clue about tips. I assume moori tips are teh best for less deflection and chalk hold. just wondering the differences in soft, medium, hard tips. why you would like each stiffness? and if not moori which one? I want the best tip i can get because im trying to get serious with my pool game. I tried to search herew first but could not get anything. tyvm in advance.
 
alwayzcocacola0 said:
I have always used an elkmaster(Blah) tip. and have no clue about tips. I assume moori tips are teh best for less deflection and chalk hold. just wondering the differences in soft, medium, hard tips. why you would like each stiffness? and if not moori which one? I want the best tip i can get because im trying to get serious with my pool game. I tried to search herew first but could not get anything. tyvm in advance.
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Oddly enough, after years and years of playing using different tips, I have switched BACK to elkmaster and lepro. I suggest you save yourself some time and money and just continue to use them.

YMMV

-td
 
u can try milk duds or dudleys from Mueller Sporting. It's an Elk Master soaked in milk and pressed. I've tried them and there pretty good and cheap. They hit about the same as an older soft Morri IMO.
 
alwayzcocacola0 said:
I have always used an elkmaster(Blah) tip. and have no clue about tips. I assume moori tips are teh best for less deflection and chalk hold. just wondering the differences in soft, medium, hard tips. why you would like each stiffness? and if not moori which one? I want the best tip i can get because im trying to get serious with my pool game. I tried to search herew first but could not get anything. tyvm in advance.
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Here, I'll help you pick one.

Have a Sniper installed. Next question?
 
Glad you asked that question.. I have always wondered about Everest, and Sniper tips. Heard they are good, but I've always used a lepro, and just recently, elkmaster.

Charlie Edwards was nice enough to test some lepro's with a durometer, and they were the best tips I've ever used. Anyone test these unlayered tips for hardness and sell them???????
 
I think the most important element in a tip is a good installation. You are basically at the mercy of the talent available in your area. Go to the best person you can find and ask them the same question.

Good luck! :D
 
I like elkmasters as well, that's what I use. I like hard to medium tips. From what I read and know, harder tips hit faster but you can't put as much english on the ball (Which I think a soft just makes it easier, I can load it with a bit of english with a hard elk). Where as a soft hits slower and you can put more english on the ball. I don't know how true this is, I just read it somewhere. I also hear that a softer tip takes chalk a little bit better, but as far as I see, that is just a myth, because a properly shaped and scuff tip holds chalk really good. I might be wrong though.

I know one thing for sure is, a softer tip is easier to mushroom compare to a harder tip. It is all personaly preference and what suits the way you play. I hope this helps, good luck!

Happy shooting!:)

Chino
 
alwayzcocacola0 said:
I have always used an elkmaster(Blah) tip. and have no clue about tips. I assume moori tips are teh best for less deflection and chalk hold. just wondering the differences in soft, medium, hard tips. why you would like each stiffness? and if not moori which one? I want the best tip i can get because im trying to get serious with my pool game. I tried to search herew first but could not get anything. tyvm in advance.
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Different leather tips will make next to no difference in deflection. And Moori tips also have a tendency to glaze over so I wouldn't exactly say they are near the best at holding chalk.

Most people select the tip hardness based on their preferences for hit, weighed against each tip's likelihood for miscueing and mushrooming, as well as for how long they will last. In general (there are always exceptions), a softer tip gives a softer hit and a harder tip gives a harder hit. It's all personal preference, but most good players and pros prefer something between medium and hard. In general, the harder the tip, the less likely you are to get away with a less than perfect stroke and will probably miscue more often. Again in general, a softer tip will mushroom more, and more often, than a harder one. And again in general, the harder the tip, the longer it will last. Some people also feel that softer tips allow them to put more spin on the ball but that is a topic that is debated often and the jury is still out to say the least. So there are pros and cons each way, but a good medium hard tip is a great all around compromise.

My suggestion is a triangle tip. It's extremely consistant from tip to tip, has a nice medium hard hit, holds chalk well and does not miscue often, does not have mushrooming problems (may need mushrooming fixed once if anything), lasts for a good length of time, and you will always be able to find one even in an emergency (just about every tip installer in the nation carries them). Best of all they are among the cheapest tips out there.

The sniper is also a very good tip with very similar characteristics (except that it is layered) but it is 3-6 times the price installed.

LePro's are good tips when you get a good one. For every three LePro's, one will be great, one will be usable but not like the good ones, and one will be total useless junk. Very inconsistent.

A triangle is a great all around cheap tip, and as you get better and develope more definitive preferences, if you find that it doesn't meet your needs perfectly you can always try other tips out and you have that experience with a good all around tip as a basis to compare against. Same goes for the sniper but at a much higher cost.
 
CrownCityCorey said:
Here, I'll help you pick one.

Have a Sniper installed. Next question?
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I am by no means an expert on tips,but, I was at a 9ball tourny Wed. night and a friend asked me to do a couple of trick shots on an open table. I asked to borrow a guys cue and it was a Players SP that had a med. Sniper on it,first time I hit with one(I use a Moori m.) I did a couple of english shots first and OMG was I amazed at the juice it but on the ball on a bar table. Two days before that I had decided to try a WB Talisman,I already order them and think I will definitly switch to Sniper if there not to my liking....my opinion only...Ron
 
chin0 said:
I like elkmasters as well, that's what I use. I like hard to medium tips. From what I read and know, harder tips hit faster but you can't put as much english on the ball (Which I think a soft just makes it easier, I can load it with a bit of english with a hard elk). Where as a soft hits slower and you can put more english on the ball. I don't know how true this is, I just read it somewhere. I also hear that a softer tip takes chalk a little bit better, but as far as I see, that is just a myth, because a properly shaped and scuff tip holds chalk really good. I might be wrong though.

I know one thing for sure is, a softer tip is easier to mushroom compare to a harder tip. It is all personaly preference and what suits the way you play. I hope this helps, good luck!

Happy shooting!:)

Chino
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where did you get a hard elk master? i've never used one, that wasn't milk duded up, but i thought they were supposed to be a soft tip.


that soft tip more english stuff is kind of a myth. if you stroke the ball well you can do just as much if not more with a good hard tip.
 
alwayzcocacola0 said:
I have always used an elkmaster(Blah) tip. and have no clue about tips. I assume moori tips are teh best for less deflection and chalk hold. just wondering the differences in soft, medium, hard tips. why you would like each stiffness? and if not moori which one? I want the best tip i can get because im trying to get serious with my pool game. I tried to search herew first but could not get anything. tyvm in advance.
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all of us can tell you what we each like....but none of us can tell you what you like..

IMO .... pick one today.... right now... and DECIDE... and buy the same thing from now on..... jumping from tip to tip.. shaft to shaft... taper to taper... good god ... you will never get a random set up that that is the correct recipe..

make a DECISION on each and learn how to play with your decisions......

if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice...

and undecided is the weakest choice of all..


Try not!!
Do!!
Or
Do NOT!!
There is No Try!!
Yoda
 
softshot said:
all of us can tell you what we each like....but none of us can tell you what you like..

IMO .... pick one today.... right now... and DECIDE... and buy the same thing from now on..... jumping from tip to tip.. shaft to shaft... taper to taper... good god ... you will never get a random set up that that is the correct recipe..

make a DECISION on each and learn how to play with your decisions......

if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice...

and undecided is the weakest choice of all..


Try not!!
Do!!
Or
Do NOT!!
There is No Try!!
Yoda
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i thought Bruce Lee said that
 
poolplayer2093 said:
where did you get a hard elk master? i've never used one, that wasn't milk duded up, but i thought they were supposed to be a soft tip.


that soft tip more english stuff is kind of a myth. if you stroke the ball well you can do just as much if not more with a good hard tip.
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:eek: holy crap, it is a soft tip, please to OP disregard my statement. Jesus, I misread everything :o I thought I read it was a hard tip and it was the triangle that was a hard tip, I better stop posting posts and just read :(

I know for sure my GW has a LePro, and comparing LePro and Elkmaster (now I'm not even sure if it is an Elkmaster on my damn cue, it might just me a standard schmelke tip, I just based it off of what the store owner told me, but on schmelke's website, they say their tips and elkmasters are very similar) and I prefered the elkmaster over the lepro. I have a pretty heavy hand and with the lightweight of my cue and the tip combo, I shoot a lot better with it. I'm sorry for the confusion, I spologize for that, I'm pretty F'in confused myself now.

Chino
 
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it may be a mytyh about soft tips putting more spin on the ball, but from what I have experienced with the milk duds is that softer tips require less effort and are more forgiving than the harder ones. I switched from a talisman WB med to a milk dud and it is far easier for me to put the spin I want on it. On the other hand, the talisman had a much better feel to it, so it is a toss-up. Personaly, I am gonna get an extra shaft for my schon, so I can have both types of hits, depending on where I am playing.
 
I use Everest and anything else on my cue does not feel right ... When you put it with the Micarta ferrell that Mason makes it is a very sweet combo... To me Everest is the number one tip on the market followed by Sniper ...
 
Best tips on the market.....

Sniper has a nice soft feeling hit but keeps its shape and never mushrooms. Best tip by far for ANY type of style of game in my opinion. After that I'd say my personal fav is a thoroughly pressed Porper water buffalo layered tip. I travel all over the table and like soft hitting tips but keep thier shape like a hard tip. my thrid choice that not a lot of people use is the Diamondback laminated tip, it's just like a Sniper but a little softer so it needs to be thoroughly pressed before application. I had tried Kamui Blacks months ago from a friend who happened to get one applied to his cue and it plays similar to a sniper in my opinion. I guess a lot more people like it it becasue its a black colored tip. Its a good tip no doubt. But not the best, again that;s just my opinon
 
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