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justadub said:
And these folks will devote their lives to what they do. Much of their waking moments.

What we are talking about here is a pool instructor. For people who want to get better at the game. The only reason pro's are in the discussion is as an example of high level athletes getting coaching.

The majority of pool instructors clients are quite likely less than pro, down to beginner level. I truly think you are misguided to believe that people cannot be helped by an instructor. Especially those of us who aren't "naturals".

Additionally, and to your point of "Could you imagine earl strickland with a stroke coach" remember the culture of the high-level pool player in the US. What does it revolve around? Gambling, and/or getting over on someone. Why would anyone at that level jeopardize their future income by trying to help someone else? It's not a fair comparison.
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go get lessons dub.....let me know how they work out for you. im curious to hear an honest assesment of your pool lessons if you ever get them. Alot has to do with what you do with the information an instructor might give you....so much of it depends on just you.
 
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RDeca...I respectfully disagree. While it's possible that YOU may not be able to teach someone a stroke, I teach people how to create their own personal "perfect stroke" on a daily basis. The stroke can absolutely be taught (I also teach other teachers how to train a stroke), and superior performance is often the result...but, as you said, you still have to put in the practice time. It is, in the end, a matter of quality practice over quantity practice.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

RDeca said:
you cant really teach someone stroke,,,they have to figure it themselves throu repitition, .
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RDeca said:
go get lessons dub.....let me know how they work out for you. im curious to hear an honest assesment of your pool lessons if you ever get them.
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I hope to be able to.

If you want an honest assessment of how lessons have helped people, it's not difficult. Spend a few minutes here. There are many, many, many threads with people reporting how thrilled they were with their lessons recently.

Maybe someday I'll join them.
 
justadub said:
I hope to be able to.

If you want an honest assessment of how lessons have helped people, it's not difficult. Spend a few minutes here. There are many, many, many threads with people reporting how thrilled they were with their lessons recently.

Maybe someday I'll join them.
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Look one post above you --- they don't come any better then than man!
 
RDeca said:
a coach can teach mechanics sure....he can see you while your shooting, wich helps because you cant really look at yourself while playing.

we are talking about pool....not hitting a baseball or golfball pure wich rely's pretty much on solid mechanics....

Pool isn't all about mechanics, but then neither is golf or baseball. but golf and baseball is more mechanics oriented...the strokes are much more complicated than the one used for billiards.
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I disagree. Confidence and concentration are absolutely required in every sport. Pool is about repetition and the correct stance, stroke, etc, as well as the mental aspect. In order to excell in any sport, you need the basic fundamentals right. A coach is also an observer. He can see what you are doing when you can't.

That is why pretty much all successful sports players have coaches. Their coaches don't have to have the level of skill that they have (ie, Tiger Woods, Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and pretty much every great player in every sport). A coach is an instructor. He points out the things that you are doing that are not correct...usually, correct for you in particular.

Although I am an old man now, I once played baseball in high school and college a different lifetime ago. Every now and then, I would get into a hitting slump. The coach could see what I was doing wrong mechanically, and we would work on correcting that. With that correction, and practice necessary to get my mind and confidence back where they should have been, I could come out of it.

Pool is the same way. Coaches/instructors are helpful for great players and for beginners/medium skill players.

Joe
 
Scott Lee said:
RDeca...I respectfully disagree. While it's possible that YOU may not be able to teach someone a stroke, I teach people how to create their own personal "perfect stroke" on a daily basis. The stroke can absolutely be taught (I also teach other teachers how to train a stroke), and superior performance is often the result...but, as you said, you still have to put in the practice time. It is, in the end, a matter of quality practice over quantity practice.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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who are the people with perfect strokes that you have trained?
300 dollars for 4 hrs instruction???? i bet its pretty good but i cant afford that.
 
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I have seen coaches promising the sky and falling short by a mile. It takes a bit of money to figure this one out.
The biggest failing in coaches is that they try to teach their way as the only way.
Most of them know a lot about the game but cannot take apart the stroke.
Even if they can explain cause of the error, they cannot suggest a way to correct it, or their suggestions are a guess.

This is why a lot of coaches on here are seeing hostility from a lot of experienced players . Too many guys charging arm and a leg for junk.

Most of the useful information I have gotten was from other players.
Comments like: you jumped up, your hand went out, you are too in, your stroke does a right to left swoop etc., are all extremely useful.
Unfortunately, most players will not know how to correct it.

It is hard to find qualified help, hopefully not impossible.
Although, in the end you have to do it yourself.
 
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